Brainstormin' 440 vs 5.9 ...

[92b]

Dyno horses are escaping the corral!! Many times, a 100 of them don't show up to the track!

Where did the dyno horses go?

First off, I wasted way too much time on this but here is what I figured out. Misinformation and speculation based on Misinformation.

The Wallace calculator says this on it's website. "These equations are for recreation only. Not a substitute for actual testing." Having said that I believe they can probably get you in the ballpark if you give it accurate information and everything is working properly in a fairly efficient combination.

I encourage anyone who is interested in this to view Mopar Joe's YouTube video "Dyno vs timeslip" In the video Joe explains how the motor in question as it came off the dyno went into his barracuda, not in the pickup, and his et/mph/hp did ballpark match the Wallace calculator. He also gave an example of a friend's motor that was dynoed at the same place as his that also ballpark matched the Wallace calculator.

About this 500 hp motor. Joe said in the video that when the motor was put in the truck there were some changes. He said " more on this later". Only he doesn't come back in the video to the changes that were made later. I had to go back and view about 10 videos and this is what I think I figured out. Hopefully I got this right. Feel free to fact check.

The original dynoed motor had ported e- street heads ( ported by Ed's Machine) and a hydraulic roller comp cam cca 23-712-9 236-242 @.050 .580"/.577" 1.6 rockers and solid lifters. The combination in the truck has Stealth heads 236 .540" 1.5 rockers and as far as I can tell (might have missed it) has not been dynoed. We don't know how much power this motor is putting out.

The dyno shop that did the original testing seems like a reputable shop. I don't suspect intentionally jacked up numbers.They tested the "original motor combination" with open headers. The truck has 3" pipe, x pipe and mufflers with tail pipes that turn out ahead of the rear tires.

is the Wallace calculator wrong? I don't know. But to be fair there are only two inputs, mph or et and weight. As Joe explains using mph in place of et can yield different results. That still doesn't consider some of the potential power robbing inefficiencies inherent to the truck. Or any of the other variables that have been mentioned that could skew the number.

Where did the horses go? Hard to say but you need to know how many horses you had in your corral in the first place before you can figure out how many got out.

 

[318willrun]

Where did the dyno horses go?

First off, I wasted way too much time on this but here is what I figured out. Misinformation and speculation based on Misinformation.

The Wallace calculator says this on it's website. "These equations are for recreation only. Not a substitute for actual testing." Having said that I believe they can probably get you in the ballpark if you give it accurate information and everything is working properly in a fairly efficient combination.

I encourage anyone who is interested in this to view Mopar Joe's YouTube video "Dyno vs timeslip" In the video Joe explains how the motor in question as it came off the dyno went into his barracuda, not in the pickup, and his et/mph/hp did ballpark match the Wallace calculator. He also gave an example of a friend's motor that was dynoed at the same place as his that also ballpark matched the Wallace calculator.

About this 500 hp motor. Joe said in the video that when the motor was put in the truck there were some changes. He said " more on this later". Only he doesn't come back in the video to the changes that were made later. I had to go back and view about 10 videos and this is what I think I figured out. Hopefully I got this right. Feel free to fact check.

The original dynoed motor had ported e- street heads and a hydraulic roller comp cam cca 23-712-9 236-242 @.050 580/577 1.6 rockers and solid lifters. The combination in the truck has Stealth heads 236 .540 1.5 rockers and as far as I can tell (might have missed it) has not been dynoed. We don't know how much power this motor is putting out.

The dyno shop that did the original testing seems like a reputable shop. I don't suspect intentionally jacked up numbers.They tested the original motor combination with open headers. The truck has 3" pipe, x pipe and mufflers with tail pipes that turn out ahead of the rear tires.

is the Wallace calculator wrong? I don't know. But to be fair there are only two inputs, mph or et and weight. As Joe explains using mph in place of et can yield different results. That still doesn't consider some of the potential power robbing inefficiencies inherent to the truck. Or any of the other variables that have been mentioned that could skew the number.

Where did the horses go? Hard to say but you need to know how many horses you had in your corral in the first place before you can figure out how many got out.

Boy you cherry pick and not tell the whole story. Seriously. That engine made 530 hp when it went in his cuda, and showed 486 on wallace. That's over 40 horses that escaped the corral at the track when using MPH. Same with his friends car when using MPH. And Yes, he made changes but still claimed 500 hp going into the truck. He and I talked about this before any videos were posted. This has been discussed. It's not breaking news.. LOL. Joe actually SHOWED they didn't make the hp when using MPH in his own video! You are right, go watch it!!

 

[RustyRatRod]

Boy you cherry pick and not tell the whole story. Seriously. That engine made 530 hp when it went in his cuda, and showed 486 on wallace. That's over 40 horses that escaped the corral at the track when using MPH. Same with his friends car when using MPH. And Yes, he made changes but still claimed 500 hp going into the truck. He and I talked about this before any videos were posted. This has been discussed. It's not breaking news.. LOL.

...and here I thought you asked, and nicely that we not discuss Wallace anymore.

 

[318willrun]

...and here I thought you asked, and nicely that we not discuss Wallace anymore.

I said I was done with it, so i shouldn't have responded but I did. Joe and I are friends and he WANTED me to use his truck as the example and he knew just where i was going with this. I told Joe... I TOLD HIM to make a follow up video from his side. This was all behind the scenes before ANY of us posted a video. As much as I said I like dyno's and they are valuable, these guys are sideways with madness (seriously) with this dyno obsession. SERIOUSLY... I am back to the RV 440 and they can do all the research and digging they want. They certainly feel threatened.. LOL I just gave an observation while I admit I've never had an engine on a dyno though it would be great!

 

[92b]

Boy you cherry pick and not tell the whole story. Seriously. That engine made 530 hp when it went in his cuda, and showed 486 on wallace. That's over 40 horses that escaped the corral at the track when using MPH. Same with his friends car when using MPH. And Yes, he made changes but still claimed 500 hp going into the truck. He and I talked about this before any videos were posted. This has been discussed. It's not breaking news.. LOL. Joe actually SHOWED they didn't make the hp when using MPH in his own video! You are right, go watch it!!

It was 526 hp without mufflers on what he called his best pull and 496 hp based on et. His barracuda has a 727. That seems ballpark to me. His buddy's well sorted car on a powerglide according to Joe 1143hp on the same dyno and 1176hp based on et and 1107 hp based on mph on the Wallace calculator. That seems pretty ballpark to me. That's also what Joe said.

 

[92b]

Can you repost the link to his video? I'm sure he would appreciate the views.

 

[318willrun]

It was 526 hp without mufflers on what he called his best pull and 496 hp based on et. His barracuda has a 727. That seems ballpark to me. His buddy's well sorted car on a powerglide according to Joe 1143hp on the same dyno and 1176hp based on et and 1107 hp based on mph on the Wallace calculator. That seems pretty ballpark to me. That's also what Joe said.

still under though, right??? And were using MPH, not ET. 475 based on MPH and that isn't 526 now is it? 51 horses failed to show up. And 1107 isn't 1143 now is it? Best example he could find still left some horses in the corrall... LOL. As I said... Dyno horses seems to not all show up at the track. You are grasping and your own examples are verifying what I am saying.

 

[318willrun]

Can you repost the link to his video? I'm sure he would appreciate the views.

I want to move away from this. It's like going back and forth with a trucker... LOL Let's get back on the RV 440 my friend.

 

[Killer6]

That's cheatin! LOL

LOL!! Only if one uses it! The reality is, the TQ intake I pic'd in post#1104 had a 1/2"+ squarebore adapter plus the Eddy NOS plate plus (3) gaskets. I just saved close to 1.25", & I'm still going to have to cut the hood bracing to put a real filter housing on there, even with a drop base.
My Bud goes 340# & that Satellite ain't no lightweight, so far w/o NOS & a 280°/.474", 11" TCI, 3310 Holley & 3.55's it went 100mph+ & 13.50....w/a pathetic 2" element....He stuck the NOS plate & filter on there at some point on His own,...I watched it go down the track, pouring black smoke like a freight train, I thought "wtf???"

 

[RustyRatRod]

LOL!! Only if one uses it! The reality is, the TQ intake I pic'd in post#1104 had a 1/2"+ squarebore adapter plus the Eddy NOS plate plus (3) gaskets. I just saved close to 1.25", & I'm still going to have to cut the hood bracing to put a real filter housing on there, even with a drop base.
My Bud goes 340# & that Satellite ain't no lightweight, so far w/o NOS & a 280°/.474", 11" TCI, 3310 Holley & 3.55's it went 100mph+ & 13.50....w/a pathetic 2" element....He stuck the NOS plate & filter on there at some point on His own,...I watched it go down the track, pouring black smoke like a freight train, I thought "wtf???"

He was runnin it fat not to hurt anything. LMAO

 

[Killer6]

He was runnin it fat not to hurt anything. LMAO

Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there, I did the swap for the previous owner and it ran great & clean before & after it changed hands. I wondered if float levels got tweaked,..the shitty air filter,...pretty sure He ain't swappin' jets so...won't matter now. Going to try an AVS2 800 on the RPM, & the 452's are getting some more serious attn. with some O/S valves.