Classic car people that make you CRAZY!??

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When we talk about looking for a project car, there are just so many sources. FB has some really good forums, like FABO and some suck, and some tag you every farn day wanting to sell a T Shirt!! I learn which ones to pay attention to. And FB Marketplace is the most poorly run site I have ever seen I admit.
I call it StupidBook in general.
 
I'm on FB (probably too much) but Marketplace is one of the only places to find deals on parts and stuff. You have to put up with a lot of BS. On FB pages (mostly Mopar and A body) the thing that bothers me is when people make a post saying something like "I have a red Duster, what cam do you guys recommend?" .
 
It amazes me when I see on TV, guys in their 70's and 80's that have fields and sheds of cars capable of restoration, and when the TV host, who does car restores, says, "I would love to restore that car. Would you consider selling it?" And they respond with something similar to what you said, like, "No, I'm going to restore it someday" after they admit to having it for 40, 50, or 60 years and doing nothing to it. It's disturbing, because at some point , out in the weather like that, you know that car that could be saved by an experienced restorer isn't far from the point of no return.
 
It amazes me when I see on TV, guys in their 70's and 80's that have fields and sheds of cars capable of restoration, and when the TV host, who does car restores, says, "I would love to restore that car. Would you consider selling it?" And they respond with something similar to what you said, like, "No, I'm going to restore it someday" after they admit to having it for 40, 50, or 60 years and doing nothing to it. It's disturbing, because at some point , out in the weather like that, you know that car that could be saved by an experienced restorer isn't far from the point of no return.
I have had many Mopars since the 80s, I used to have my personal "keepers", but they always got sold, basically to fund another build. I have my "trader" cars that helps pay for my "keeper" cars and/or builds. Too bad I never just restored/built just one car and kept it, because 97% of the time, since the 80s even, I would do well to just my $ back out of any build. I have always loved the hint and loved the build.

Yea I have seen hundreds of the " I am gonna restore" it one day guy. But what is funny, offer anyone any good project, half restored project,etc. and 99% of the time they want to steal it. 1% would recognize a fair price. Even then they would say, " Ya know I gotta at least try to talk ya down!" I rather price a car at a fair price that advertise one at a stupid price because some idiot might come along an pay it!? Really???? Yea, all us car guys love bargains, but.... and we have all seen plenty of the tire kickers,,,,,, the IF I have any $, If my wife would let me, IF I had a roof, IF I had a truck to haul it home,,, IF I can drive it from Tx. to S.C. IF IF IF.. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
You guys are in a higher class than me. My wife drove a convertible '64 push button, /6 when she was 18. Part of my trickery to get her to marry me was my promise to put her little rump in another '64 convertible so she could relive her glory days. I worked on these tinker toy cars with four fuses running the whole electrical system back 45, 50 years ago. What's the big deal?

I found a potential car in Colorado and hired a "car inspector" to look at it. The guy was a life long hot rod junkie and his son was following suit. We talked about how I wanted a three season driver for my wife. This guy was like talking to my doctor. Very focused and thorough. The inspector recommended I keep looking. Found the next potential car in Michigan. Hired another inspector to look at this one, thinking of how great the last inspector was. This inspector didn't know his butt from third base. Didn't work the convertible top, look under the floor mats, drive it, etc. All for $350! The owner said he bought the car from the original owner to flip. I asked, "Why the new paint job? Do you have pictures of before the new paint? He says, "It is what it is. The paint looks good."

Next car up is a pretty face in Rhode Island. Owned by a dentist that kept the car in heated storage with other classics. Time to downsize... I hired another "inspector". This guy drove the car in a flat parking lot for $400. I'm pretty sure he never looked at a car over ten years old. Said everything was good. I found my wife's toy! Put it on a car carrier and had it delivered to our front door. The transmission had no syncros left, the clutch was so saturated in oil, it wouldn't climb a small grade from a stop, and one exhaust valve was totally fried! The heater core leaked, and when i turned on the wipers, all the heater knobs danced up and down in rhythm with the wipers. And I'm thinking, "**** - I thought I was going to lube the door hinges, change the oil and hand the keys to the little woman!"
Talk about a vertical learning curve. This is not the 1960s car I worked on as a kid. I took a wire off the distributor and the wire stuck straight out like a coat hanger. The battery was showing 13 volts but there are 8.5 volts at the headlights. The heater cable sheath had come unfastened from the knobs. And rust!? Wait a second, I bought a pretty face! Front seat foot wells, air tub under the front windshield, attach points for the convertible hydraulic cylinders. I'm a woodworker, I can't weld...

I rebuilt the whole drivetrain and suspension, including putting $1,500 in parts into the 4 spd transmission. Rewired the engine compartment, and bartered with a buddy to do the rust restoration with his welder. If it wasn't for this forum, I would have been toast! Learning all the tricks to working on this antique was a life saver. Like cleaning out the carbon filled oil galleys in the /6 rocker arms, the dodge truck starter swap out, rebuilding the dash instruments and headlamp switch, painting the inside of the brake and turn signal sockets and on and on. AND finding a new turn signal switch amongst many other needed parts.

I know more now than I did then!! Until the convertible top needs replacing and that damn new rear main seal finishes soaking the clutch, all I have to do is maintain the tune and oil those door hinges.

Looking in the rearview mirror, I remember asking my nephew who did two body off restorations of Olds 442s if I should pursue this idea. He said if you like tinkering go for it, but don't count your receipts or expect to get your money back - that will ruin your fun.

I don't know what I have in it, but I'm still having a blast reaping the benefits every time my honey gets that little grin when she grabs second gear and hits that exhaust note at 3,000.
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Two thumbs WAY UP on this one!

Thank you!
 
....and we have all seen plenty of the tire kickers,,,,,, the IF I have any $, If my wife would let me, IF I had a roof, IF I had a truck to haul it home,,, IF I can drive it from Tx. to S.C. IF IF IF..
I guess I probably fall into that category in your eyes, Bill; "tire kicker".

And I still feel bad about it. (Not that you may see me that way, but because realize I jumped the gun when I reached out to you.)

I really do want to buy your '66, but "my heart got ahead of my head", as it were, and once I sat down and thought things out (and talked with SWMBO), I realized I need to get my priorities in order (finish & build-out the shop) before I can "play with my toys" after I retire this summer.

Really need to have the horse before you buy the cart.
 
I guess I probably fall into that category in your eyes, Bill; "tire kicker".

And I still feel bad about it. (Not that you may see me that way, but because realize I jumped the gun when I reached out to you.)

I really do want to buy your '66, but "my heart got ahead of my head", as it were, and once I sat down and thought things out (and talked with SWMBO), I realized I need to get my priorities in order (finish & build-out the shop) before I can "play with my toys" after I retire this summer.

Really need to have the horse before you buy the cart.
No, I am just talking in general.

I have the Fairlane listed on Marketplace. I get a couple of "inquiries each week. They want my cell, but They never call. Some want an address, they never call for appointment to see the car. I get 2-3 each week wanting to trade me something, when I say NO TRADES! Funny as C***!

I have had a few from 6-7 states away wanting pics, and I have told them it is not a show car, but all rust repaired and needs more primer and blocking. They respond back, NOT nice enough. OK I get it.

It is a project, and I still piddle with it. Buy small missing parts, etc. But it does not eat!!!!

I like what one guy mentioned. He said "guys, you are barely paying for the paint job, the rest of the car is FREE!" :rofl: :rofl: :thumbsup:
 
barbee6043 hints at my biggest peeve: "I rather price a car at a fair price that advertise one at a stupid price because some idiot might come along an pay it!?" I hate the morons who watch too much Mecum or BJ. When they go to sell that POS rusting away out back they think "Well shoot, that same body style brought $***,*** so mine should be worth at least half of that!" and then don't back off the insane price because, "I know what I got." You just keep thinking that buddy...
 
OMG! you guys are killing me! I've come across pretty much every one of these scenarios I've read so far on this thread. There's an E-body sitting 4 blocks away from me that is eturning to the earth. About 20 years ago a guy told me he had asked the owner if he would sell it. The owner said, no not for sale. It sits under a tarp here in South Florida. South Florida is basically a swamp on pavement. Every now and then the tarp wears and you can see through the trunk lid, through the trunk floor and onto the ground! The roof is completely caved in. It's beyond restoration at this point.
Gotta love the ads of cars torn apart. 'oh yes, all the parts are there'. Yeah right!
Another one that gets me (hopefully not insulting anyone here) are the guys that never drive their cars or only on a perfectly clear Sunday once a year. There are a few cars in my neighborhood that just sit. A guy has what seems to be a nice E-body sitting in his garage. I have not seen it move in 15 years! I drive mine. I drove the Barracuda last Friday and last night. The weather is nice here in South Florida this time of the year (summers suck), most times I'll drive three of my cars in the same weekend.
 
That's the guy I bought our '64 Dart from. He included the repair invoices with the car and every invoice was dated late June or early July over many years and was always some repair to make the car run. Ours is driven year around. We just pick our times in the winter months. No ice (rare) or crazy rain - being a convertible. Okay, and in a light mist, the novelty of using the arm/wrist as an intermittent wiper speed gets old after about 20 minutes. :rolleyes:
 
One that gets me (hopefully not insulting anyone here) are the guys that never drive their cars or only on a perfectly clear Sunday once a year. There are a few cars in my neighborhood that just sit. A guy has what seems to be a nice E-body sitting in his garage. I have not seen it move in 15 years! I drive mine. I drove the Barracuda last Friday and last night. The weather is nice here in South Florida this time of the year (summers suck), most times I'll drive three of my cars in the same weekend.
I agree.
There are some that think that they are impressing people when they say that they never wash their cars with water.
This is bullshit.
The only way that you could get away with simply dusting off your car is if you rarely drive it and never encounter any water on the roadway.
Come on, man...These cars are not made from sugar, they won't melt if you get them wet.
Snobs and purists can take a hike...I have no respect for dudes that don't drive and enjoy their cars. I drive mine all over the place...

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I agree they need to be driven.
forty years ago the main cause of an accident was a ditch or telephone pole. Today it is some drunk, or a kid with a cell phone, or a drag racer everywhere, and me driving a car that would cost a mint to repair.
When I was 30, no big deal. Today?
I still drive them, but am very cautious as to when.

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For me it's the guys that never drive the car.

I have another car besides my Swinger (85 Celica Supra), and there's guy around here that has been into those cars for 30+ years, owning around 20 of them, parting some out and driving others. He is well known into this car's community to be a great guy and a great resource. He has had a mint original car, super low miles, perfect everything, owned it for the past 25 years. He's getting older and has decided to get out of the car hobby, so he sold his car to a collector. I was talking to him a little while ago and he mentioned that he only put 6000 miles on that car in 25 years. :BangHead:

I bought my Supra in June 2022 and put 9000 miles on it since then!! During that same time I put 11000 miles on my Dart!! And these are just summer fun cars.

Drive the car!!
 
I can certainly understand the reluctance of those in snowy regions....The brine, the salt, the sand doing all of what that stuff does.
My rant was about the guys that rarely drive their cars period.
 
For sure, winter driving is not at all common. Our season generally runs from around April to November, but lots of guys consider late May to Halloween to be the start and end. But 6000 miles in 25 years?? That doesn't even average one tank of gas per year.
 
Sir, this car is pretty rough. It needs a lot of work. It isn't worth $20K. It's worth maybe $6K

Are you kidding me. I've seen these things go for $50 on TV.
 
Some person looking at my 69 Barracuda at a car show and saying, "Nice car. My Uncle used to have one just like this, but his had a Hemi."
I used to let it go, but not anymore. Now I ask if the uncle put the hemi in it, or if it came from the factory that way. They always say factory, and I always tell them, "No way, the factory never put a Hemi in a 69 Barracuda." Sometimes they just walk away, and sometimes they want to argue.
 

Like the new guy. He bought a 65 Stang project because he retired and wants to get into the classic car hobby. Then, just like that, he stumbled onto two other "classics' projects he always wanted, but after dealing with getting the body/paint done on one of those, he understands 2 projects are plenty and the Stang needs to GO! For sale!!!!! So I ask just maybe you gave too much for that 65 l6 Stang project with no title, wrong seats, and not running???? HIS Answer: "Well I drove it up on the trailer, and well yes I have not started it in a year and a half, (battery dead? and will not start), and I just want to get my $$$ back out so I can proceed to get my other keeper painted>" This guy retired form a high paying job and all I can say is REALLY!!!???????:BangHead::BangHead::BangHead::BangHead::BangHead: :thumbsup:
 
Pricing a car with absolutely no idea of what it is or how much it’s worth. I run into that daily, and try as I might, they stick to the price no matter what. Most people “think” they are in the hobby, but they’re not. You can have 10 of these cars and not be in the hobby, or you can have none and be deep into the hobby. Honesty with yourself should dictate where you are with this hobby.

I find it kinda funny when I’m talking to an owner of a car that’s for sale and I bring up well known facts about the car and they just glaze over. Items that should dictate the price of the car, or items not on the car that should also. I’ll say” does it have the 8 3/4 or a 7 1/4” and they have no idea, but price it like it has the 8 3/4”. Drives me nuts sometimes.
 
OOH, OOH, I have another one. When someone says at a car show that the first engine to reach 1 HP per cubic in was the 57 Chevy Fuel Injected 283. I tell them that Chrysler had a Hemi in 1956 that was (if I remember right) 355 CI with 2 4 barrels and 356 HP. They won't believe you even if you Google it and show them.
 
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