Compressed Natural Gas

[Old Tired Rebel]

Does any one here know about CNG Conversions?

 

[RustyRatRod]

I know enough to tell you that you would have to lose your entire trunk or truck bed for fuel storage.

 

[trapster]

I know that if you want to fill it from home you need a pump that runs around 3K.

And that you really need higher compression in your engine to get the most out of it.

 

[Old Tired Rebel]

I know that if you want to fill it from home you need a pump that runs around 3K.

And that you really need higher compression in your engine to get the most out of it.

Yes and here in Oklahoma is the largest producer of NG

 

[BigWhip]

I know a little about this.
1. You can't swap back and forth from CNG to gasoling easily.
2. You cannot travel far do to the lack of public CNG filling stations.
3. Natural gas is in surplus in America.
4. Super low prices for CNG compaired to gasoline.
5. Lower stress on motors.
6. Clean

Personally I like CNG as a fuel. Yes the tanks are large but its not that big of a issue.

 

[Old Tired Rebel]

That is what I like about it. They are teaching classes here in Tulsa on conversion,repair and installation of what is needed for CNG. The City of Tulsa is buying new transit buses and heavy duty trucks to replace a ageing fleet. There is a proposal for CNG stations for the public to use. Seems worth while to me.

 

[BigWhip]

OTR, take the classes if you can. That would be too kool! The last time I checked it was less than $3.00 to get the same amount of 22 gal of gasoline.

 

[trapster]

Yea but there are no road taxes on CNG YET
so don't expect the price to stay low

 

[RustyRatRod]

Not trying to start a war, but if you don't think the tanks being large are an issue, go look at city truck that's CNG powered. The entire bed is taken up with tanks. That's a big drawback.....at least for me. I agree with all the good points though and the US should be doing more so that vehicles can run off CNG. Surely there has to be a way to compress it perhape even further and make the storage tanks smaller. I don't think that it's really been studies as much as it needs to be because the big oil companies don't want it to be.....and that's really stupid considering that CNG is a product that they sell.

 

[67Dart273]

Surely there has to be a way to compress it perhape even further and make the storage tanks smaller..

Stroker, you cannot change the "laws of physics." If you compress it to higher pressures, you need thicker, heavier tanks, ala welding tanks, or liquify it, then you need special thermal tanks like used for LOX or NOX.

I used to service HVAC/R, and frankly, I could not be interested less in having a high pressure tank of LP/ NG in my trunk

 

[RustyRatRod]

Stroker, you cannot change the "laws of physics." If you compress it to higher pressures, you need thicker, heavier tanks, ala welding tanks, or liquify it, then you need special thermal tanks like used for LOX or NOX.

I used to service HVAC/R, and frankly, I could not be interested less in having a high pressure tank of LP/ NG in my trunk

Well.....I know technology changes everyday. I don't know anything about LNG other than the tank size is large. There are always new things coming out. I was thinkin maybe somebody had come out wif sumffin, know what I mean? I could see usin it with a truck.....but a car? You'd lose any storage space. Plus, it's just not practical considering there are few places to refill.

 

[Old Tired Rebel]

I watched this on PBS and I looked this up. Tulsa Tech now offers this course.

http://www.tulsatech.com/Lists/Spotlight/DispForm.aspx?ID=50&Source=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etulsatech%2Eedu%2FLists%2FSpotlight%2FAllItems%2Easpx

Tulsa Tech Celebrates Dedication of Automotive, Robotics & Manufacturing Facility at its Broken Arrow Campus
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TULSA TECH CELEBRATES DEDICATION OF AUTOMOTIVE, ROBOTICS AND MANUFACTURING FACILITY AT ITS BROKEN ARROW CAMPUS

New facility to focus on alternative fuel technology, including Liquid Natural Gas and Compressed Natural Gas

TULSA, Okla., September 16, 2011 – Tulsa Tech and its Broken Arrow campus today announced the grand opening of their new state-of-the-art automotive training facility that will teach and train Oklahoman students firsthand about alternative fuel technology.

“We are so proud of our Broken Arrow campus and even more excited to dedicate it today,” said Dr. Kara Gae Neal, Superintendent, Tulsa Tech. “Each student, young and old, who attends a Tulsa Tech school, will receive the highest-level of hands-on training and education. The Broken Arrow campus and this facility is no exception. We have created the only course in Oklahoma that will teach students the technology associated with alternative fuel. This one-of-a-kind facility is training tomorrow’s workforce in the latest automotive technology.”

Established in 1983, and with renovations completed in January of 2011, the Broken Arrow Campus now has 362,698 square feet of classrooms, laboratories and shops located on a 53-acre site. Each shop offers the latest in automotive equipment, specifically liquid natural gas (LNG) and compressed natural gas (CNG) technology. The campus employs 53 full-time staff members and includes a wide variety of meeting rooms for public use, including a 330 seat auditorium.

The alternative fuels program will offer students National Automotive Technicians Education Foundation (NATEF) and Automotive Service Excellence (ASE) Certification in CNG, Electrical, and Engine Performance Training. The program will be taught with specialized multi-fuel trainers, equipment, vehicles and an on-site CNG fueling station. With this training, graduates will be able to capitalize on emerging employment opportunities, finding careers as Service Technicians and Retrofitter Specialists as well as in the areas of Service Management, Marketing, Engineering and Sales. Each of these career paths requires the specialized training offered at Tulsa Tech, allowing the school to fulfill an industry-wide need for skilled and proficient technicians adept at maintaining and developing these new types of vehicles.


Mr. T. Boone Pickens meets with students during Tulsa Tech's Broken Arrow campus Dedication on September 16.

“With this new facility, Tulsa Tech is committing to the training and teaching of Oklahomans to fill an expertise in a growing and demanding sector. This is just one more example of why Oklahoma is positioned to take the lead in our nation’s efforts to reduce our dependence on foreign oil,” said Oklahoma Congressman John Sullivan. “I am proud to say our companies and schools show great initiative in taking advantage of the opportunities presented by liquid natural gas and compressed natural gas. As a versatile transportation fuel, natural gas is poised to help our state by creating jobs. And on the national level, the adoption of these readily available American fuels will only serve to strengthen our national security.”

Oklahoma-born philanthropist and natural gas advocate Boone Pickens was a special guest at the dedication and came away impressed with Tulsa Tech’s new facility. “Natural gas is an American fuel, and it is plentiful in Oklahoma.” he said. “Thankfully we have institutions like Tulsa Tech with the vision and ambition needed to capitalize on all the benefits of this clean and abundant domestic fuel. One pillar of the Pickens Plan is to use natural gas to replace OPEC oil as a transportation fuel, and Tulsa Tech is actively addressing this need with the new Broken Arrow campus automotive facility and courses in alternative fuels. With Tulsa Tech’s hands-on training program, jobs will be created, and an industry so vital to our energy future will be expanded. Today’s dedication represents a big step forward, one that will propel Oklahoma to the forefront of the natural gas movement. Oklahoma is clearly in good hands.”

The dedication and ribbon cutting event also featured Lieutenant Governor Todd Lamb, Broken Arrow Mayor Mike Lester and Tulsa Mayor, Dewey Bartlett.

“Tulsa Tech recognized a need and addressed it. This is a proud day for Tulsa Tech, the CareerTech system and the state of Oklahoma,’ said Dr. Neal.

 

[MoparDaddy]

Not trying to start a war, but if you don't think the tanks being large are an issue, go look at city truck that's CNG powered. The entire bed is taken up with tanks. That's a big drawback.....at least for me. I agree with all the good points though and the US should be doing more so that vehicles can run off CNG. Surely there has to be a way to compress it perhape even further and make the storage tanks smaller. I don't think that it's really been studies as much as it needs to be because the big oil companies don't want it to be.....and that's really stupid considering that CNG is a product that they sell.

There has to be some study done to make tanks smaller and the fuel go farther. Honda has had CNG Civics for the last few years now and they still have surplus trumk space.

 

[Old Tired Rebel]

There has to be some study done to make tanks smaller and the fuel go farther. Honda has had CNG Civics for the last few years now and they still have surplus trumk space.

I looks for tings to get easier and cheaper to install.

 

[RustyRatRod]

There has to be some study done to make tanks smaller and the fuel go farther. Honda has had CNG Civics for the last few years now and they still have surplus trumk space.

Right....see, that's what I'm talkin bout? I mean damn, if Honda can do it....and we got the most natural gas in the world........