340six
King Of Bling
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Extremely Dissapointed in my TTI exhaust and headers maybe someone can help with my fitment issues and provide some guidance
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look pal, i only know because i have three of them sitting here and i just did that other one in the pics less than a year ago-- and i still can't remember the granular details about the brackets!
just repeat the mantra: because mopar! and it'll help remind you that just because it should be the same, it 100% probably isn't!
but also, there's all kinds of wacky stuff and unique things with the early cars
...and that statement can count for every domestic make and model All of them did some really strange stuff in the early 60s. Maybe it was the drugs?
I only have .89 bars on my 65 Barracuda, but the driver's side torsion bar just touched where it ran between two tubes. I replaced the stock 65 motor mount biscuit with a 67-72 biscuit, which is maybe 3/8 or half an inch shorter. Dropped that side just enough that the bar cleared the header. Not by much, and I was afraid it might rattle, but it doesn't.
I thought about dinking the tubes with a BFH, but it would be pretty hard to get it between the two tubes, so didn't try that.
Yep, had to cut about 4" off my pipes to fit my 65 Barracuda. But the OP's car is a 111 inch wheelbase Dart. Apparently, even its pipes will need trimming.
I put TTI's in my 67 Barracuda, along with their X-pipe exhaust. Easiest header install ever.
The 65 Barracuda? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
But I did manage to get it done. Even though it wasn't so easy, I'm still impressed that TTI actually got long 4-tube headers to fit in the early A body engine compartment, which is tight even for the original 273 manifolds. You think a 340 driver's side exhaust manifold is funky looking, the early A 273 manifold is just really weird.
But it fits!
4mulas
Fixem'up
It really sounds to me like the whole thing is caulked in there. Based on the right side being off then the exhaust on the left being to far over and hitting the yoke. 1/2"-1" out at the front of the car would equal a lot more at the rear
lemondana
BlackDart
You need to start in the rear, follow directions, any questions or problems-call them, they are very good at customer service. I have 4 of their complete systems, 2 B bodies, 1 C body, and 1 A body with plans to purchase another A body set. Everyone of them fit like a glove!
I'm particularly impressed with the TTI system on my 64 and I'd post pictures, but it's a slant 6 and would be just about as useless as Duster exhaust pictures.
abuchakl
Member
Sounds like it could be a great idea, however my frustration is that this kind of work and modifications shouldn't be needed when you already pay so much for a system that is supposed to fit.
abuchakl
Member
First of all thank you to everyone who replied with comments, suggestions, and especially pictures, they are very helpful.
Here is the update on my install of the TTI system in my Dart and I still have to say that I'm dissapointed in the fit. The biggest problem I have is that if this was a bargain setup, I would understand if things didn't fit quite right and needed to be modified. But for the price paid, I feel it needs way too many modifications to fit the car. I understand cars back there were not built to the same standards but still.
So, on to the update for those of you that are interested. I have since managed to install the driver side of the system and for the most part things lined up but I am still going to need to cut and modify the connector pipe between the exhaust and the header as it doesn't sit flush against the header collector flange. This could be do the transmission change and engine trans alignment so keep that in mind as this may be unique to my setup. I would also prefer that the turn down tip was tucked under the valence instead of sticking out past it maybe this is where the stock tip was so I guess I'll go with it. The passenger side is another story. The tail pipe hits both the gas tank and gas tank mounting strap/hook so I am unable to get the pipe to rotate to the correct position. This mean the angle cut tip ends up sitting at about a 30 degree angle and obviously I don't want the exhaust pipe resting agains the gas tank. The tip alignment may not be a big deal to some but when the passenger and driver side tips don't match it drives me nuts. Now I need to figure out how to make some clearance to the gas tank and fix the tip problem. I haven't had time to figure out how to make some clearance to my fuel tank but it may involve modifying my nice new tank, or cutting and extending the tail pipe section which is supposed to fit around the tank. Extending the pipe around the tank will change the alignment to the muffler and mid pipe, or extend the tip out further which also means cutting and re-welding the rear mounting tab back on and cutting and rewelding the tip in the correct position. On the tip, my options now are to either cut the tip off and re-weld it straight or cut both tips off and put exhaust tips on both sides. Again, in a system that costs this much I feel like I shouldn't have to do all of these modifications. The mid pipe is tight but should work okay but again I'm going to need to modify the connecting pipe to the header.
I have also measured my original tank and compared it with the new replacement and the dimensions are spot on.
Here is the update on my install of the TTI system in my Dart and I still have to say that I'm dissapointed in the fit. The biggest problem I have is that if this was a bargain setup, I would understand if things didn't fit quite right and needed to be modified. But for the price paid, I feel it needs way too many modifications to fit the car. I understand cars back there were not built to the same standards but still.
So, on to the update for those of you that are interested. I have since managed to install the driver side of the system and for the most part things lined up but I am still going to need to cut and modify the connector pipe between the exhaust and the header as it doesn't sit flush against the header collector flange. This could be do the transmission change and engine trans alignment so keep that in mind as this may be unique to my setup. I would also prefer that the turn down tip was tucked under the valence instead of sticking out past it maybe this is where the stock tip was so I guess I'll go with it. The passenger side is another story. The tail pipe hits both the gas tank and gas tank mounting strap/hook so I am unable to get the pipe to rotate to the correct position. This mean the angle cut tip ends up sitting at about a 30 degree angle and obviously I don't want the exhaust pipe resting agains the gas tank. The tip alignment may not be a big deal to some but when the passenger and driver side tips don't match it drives me nuts. Now I need to figure out how to make some clearance to the gas tank and fix the tip problem. I haven't had time to figure out how to make some clearance to my fuel tank but it may involve modifying my nice new tank, or cutting and extending the tail pipe section which is supposed to fit around the tank. Extending the pipe around the tank will change the alignment to the muffler and mid pipe, or extend the tip out further which also means cutting and re-welding the rear mounting tab back on and cutting and rewelding the tip in the correct position. On the tip, my options now are to either cut the tip off and re-weld it straight or cut both tips off and put exhaust tips on both sides. Again, in a system that costs this much I feel like I shouldn't have to do all of these modifications. The mid pipe is tight but should work okay but again I'm going to need to modify the connecting pipe to the header.
I have also measured my original tank and compared it with the new replacement and the dimensions are spot on.
Have to say I really don't like the looks of the TTI turn downs on the A bodies. They stick out too far and hang too low.
On my 67, I cut them off and put aftermarket chrome tips on that snug up to the valence. There's a small cutout on the driver's side of the valence and none on the passenger side, but you have to look really close to notice it. (PS: I've put a new AMD rear bumper on it since this pic was taken.)
On my 65, which was originally a Commando 273 with a square cutout on the driver's side, and a hack-sawed square cutout on the passenger side that I did with minimal know how and tools back in the early seventies, I cut the tips and a couple feet of pipe off and spliced original 69 A body tips with Walker replacement tail pipes into the TTI 2.5 inch tail pipes. They curve upward, pitting the tips in the right place. The TTI tips hung below the rear valence instead of fitting up into it.
From above:
If I had your Dart, I'd just cut the tips off and run some aftermarket chrome straight tips or turn down tips, whichever you prefer. You can let them stick out, or move them in however much you like.
On my 67, I cut them off and put aftermarket chrome tips on that snug up to the valence. There's a small cutout on the driver's side of the valence and none on the passenger side, but you have to look really close to notice it. (PS: I've put a new AMD rear bumper on it since this pic was taken.)
On my 65, which was originally a Commando 273 with a square cutout on the driver's side, and a hack-sawed square cutout on the passenger side that I did with minimal know how and tools back in the early seventies, I cut the tips and a couple feet of pipe off and spliced original 69 A body tips with Walker replacement tail pipes into the TTI 2.5 inch tail pipes. They curve upward, pitting the tips in the right place. The TTI tips hung below the rear valence instead of fitting up into it.
From above:
If I had your Dart, I'd just cut the tips off and run some aftermarket chrome straight tips or turn down tips, whichever you prefer. You can let them stick out, or move them in however much you like.
On my 67 Charger, the TTI tailpipes tuck in short of the rear bumper, but even they hang down a little bit compared to the stock tail pipes.
Same for my 64 Polara convertible.
Same for my 64 Polara convertible.
You'll find no one on this forum that agree with you more than I, however, in this instance, I believe something is wrong somewhere with how you have something set up. It's just too far off to be blaming it on the differences in how these cars were built one from another.
Both those would make me take them to a local muffler shop and have the tail pipes removed and new ones made that tuck under like stock.
Hah! I ain't letting any local muffler shop around here touch anything I have. 
We're fortunate to have a few good ones around here. They ain't cheap, but they're good.Hah! I ain't letting any local muffler shop around here touch anything I have.
abodyjoe
Well-Known Member
they are made for multiple vehicles so you may have to trim them.
on our 70 dart they stuck out way too far because they also fit a 67-69 dart. i just cut them and pulled them in some. looks much better.. no way was i keeping them hang out the back looking all stupid.
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To the OP: One more thing occurred to me, and maybe you've already done this, but I would double check to make sure you aren't trying to install the X-pipe or H-pipe, whichever you have, upside down. Might explain why it isn't hooking up correctly to the header connector pipe.
Like the way you done the 65.
abuchakl
Member
Hey Rusty, thanks for the reply and I agree with the possibility that because of the overdrive auto trans the engine alignment may be altered. However, this still would not account for the tail pipe by itself not fitting on the passenger side. The rear of the car is completely stock, with stock style tank and strap.
Max65
Well-Known Member
I put tti’s in my ‘65 Barracuda when I installed RMS street-lynx and AlterKtion suspension. The driver side header wouldn’t clear the fender. He sent me solid motor mounts that resolved the problem. The headers fit REALLY well, the passenger pipe DOES rub the front passenger corner of the new efi fuel tank. I bent the corner.
For 3 TTi installs, I've got geat help from TTi. Ask to talk to Sam. He has seen every problem.
lemondana
BlackDart
From your first posting, it does not look like you started in the rear. Starting in the rear, positions the whole exhaust system in the right place. If anything needs to be cut, it should be the headpipe. I don't know about the early A-Body. I don't know why people can't read directions.
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