JUMPING AMP METER -- Me Again

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Amp Meter Jumping and Lights Flickering - 65 Valiant -- This is still happening in spite of all that has been done, in the other post -- What are the potential problems, if I just consider it a Day Time Car, -- lights off, and ignore the jumping amp meter ? -- Ruin something ? -- Fire ? -- Other ? -- The alternator was tested as OK, by a rebuild shop, and the battery charges correctly.
 
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I have followed you previous thread and issues you are having. I would have to see the problem you are having. There is a lot of voltage fluctuation in these cars from their original design and some 50 years later. Some of this I would consider normal operation. Again, I would have to see exactly what you are experiencing. It sounds like you have tested and tried many things to try to solve the problem. tmm
 
I have followed you previous thread and issues you are having. I would have to see the problem you are having. There is a lot of voltage fluctuation in these cars from their original design and some 50 years later. Some of this I would consider normal operation. Again, I would have to see exactly what you are experiencing. It sounds like you have tested and tried many things to try to solve the problem. --
-- Lights flicker major, not just a little. Amp meter flies all over the place +-. -- Did not always do this. I drove it 1,000 miles +-, and all was normal. All of a sudden, a few weeks ago, this started. -- Any opinion vs. My question re: a Day Time Car. I hardly ever drive either of My Hot Rods at night, due to Deer in this area.
 
Amp Meter Jumping and Lights Flickering - 65 Valiant -- This is still happening in spite of all that has been, in the other post -- What are the potential problems, if I just consider it a Day Time Car, -- lights off, and ignore the jumping amp meter ? -- Ruin something ? -- Fire ? -- Other ? -- The alternator was tested as OK, by a rebuild shop, and the battery charges correctly.
have not read any other posts, any chance theres a newer ground cable on battery that does not have a smaller wire bolted to BODY ground?? if so try a jumper wire.
 
-- have not read any other posts, any chance theres a newer ground cable on battery that does not have a smaller wire bolted to BODY ground?? if so try a jumper wire.--
-- Tried that. -- Take a minute and read the other post. I didn't mention that -- But -- told about all that I could think of. -- In addition, tonight, I pulled out the head light switch and the dimmer switch -- running out of things to do. -- What is Your opinion re My Questions re: Day Light Car ? -- I hardly ever drive either of My Hot Rods at night, due to so many Deer in this area. -- Thanks -- Dick
 
-- Tried that. -- Take a minute and read the other post. I didn't mention that -- But -- told about all that I could think of. -- In addition, tonight, I pulled out the head light switch and the dimmer switch -- running out of things to do. -- What is Your opinion re My Questions re: Day Light Car ? -- I hardly ever drive either of My Hot Rods at night, due to so many Deer in this area. -- Thanks -- Dick
hardwire a body ground, you need one anyway.
 
I have a couple similar threads started. Flip thru them. I wouldnt think day vs night is gonna make a difference (dangerous either way).
Carry a fire extinguisher.
After tonight Im off till Friday so Im going to tackle the issue.
Not sure if problems are similar (65 vs 67)
 

Lights are a good visual indicator when a problem exists. When lights dim at idle and blare up again as rpm increases, you have a weak charging system. Faulty grounds may very well be the cause. Flickering lights isn't the same.
For pre 1970 builds, you have only 1 small wire (typically blue w/white tracer ) from ignition switch going out to the engine bay to power both ignition system and energize the alternator field. ( this wire branched inside the cabin to feed mechanical inst' voltage limiter so a fault there causing flickering is also possible, until this limiter dies anyway).
This worked fine for basic points ignition. If wires, terminals, components, are all good the alternator field would get fully energized.
In 1970 builds, they moved the ignition switch to the steering column. They also increased the size of the contacts inside the switch and the size of those wires. All to get more current everywhere, including out to the engine bay. This would fully supply a solid state ignition module and fully supply a isolated field alternator. As time went on they added other things, like electric choke heater, to this wire/circuit without a issue. At some point they moved that mechical limiter to a different circuit.
So... lets say you find todays problem to be a piss poor add on terminal at the battery. Or the battery ground cable is simply undersize. Or you find the smaller red wire ( supplies everything except the starter ) is the fault. One member knifed the molded rubber boot off that wire to see it had always been a bad assembly. Just never showed before his addons. Bulkhead connections, ALT' gauge connections, etc.., etc... All these faults have been found in any, before and after 1970 models.
This is a good place to insert a truth... There isn't a single point of failure or one single cure all. The madelectrical bypass addresses only 1 point off failure. If I'm going to have a overheat/meltdown, I'd rather it be out there and not under my dash.
OK you found the fault, it's all working again, close the hood and carry on. Could it work better ? Will the ignition switch be the next failure ? Who knows.
To put that pre 1970 blue w/white wire on a relay makes just as much sense as putting relays on the headlight circuits. In fact a new ignition switch would cost much more than a new headlight switch.
All manually operated switches are destine to fail eventually. Old worn switch ( not mentioned above ) might be todays problem too. Overloading a new or good used switch will shorten its life.
Good luck to all
 
I had the same problem, it turned out to be dirty contacts in the ignition switch. Used a relay to supply the regulator. You might get away with spraying contact cleaner into the ignition switch (not the key hole but the switch behind it) and working the key.
 
--I had the same problem, it turned out to be dirty contacts in the ignition switch. Used a relay to supply the regulator. You might get away with spraying contact cleaner into the ignition switch (not the key hole but the switch behind it) and working the key. --
-- I didn't mention it -- But -- I replaced the ignition switch with a new one. -- Same result. - It's for sale - cheap - so that someone else can mess with it. -- If not, I'll use it as a Day Light Car, until it burns up. - Thanks to everyone. -- Dick
 
Pulled the 2 large (red & black) wires off from the posts, on the back of the dash panel, and hooked them together, and put them back onto 1 of the posts. - This eliminated the amp meter, and the temp gage. - Gas gage still works -- no more flickering head lights. - Time will tell if this created more problems.
 
Pulled the 2 large (red & black) wires off from the posts, on the back of the dash panel, and hooked them together, and put them back onto 1 of the posts. - This eliminated the amp meter, and the temp gage. - Gas gage still works -- no more flickering head lights. - Time will tell if this created more problems.

You should be fine but you will have no idea what your charge state is. I suggest that you install an under dash voltage gauge. Very easy to install, all you have to do is run one wire to ground and the other to a switched 12 volt source (like the radio power wire. Good Luck
 
- You should be fine but you will have no idea what your charge state is. I suggest that you install an under dash voltage gauge. Very easy to install, all you have to do is run one wire to ground and the other to a switched 12 volt source (like the radio power wire. Good Luck -
-- OK -- Will do that. -- Thanks
 
hardwire a body ground, you need one anyway.
more time tonight. i went back and read and saw a pic of eng. comp. at minimum you need ground strap from cyl.head to fire wall, a hard wired body ground wire [8ga.] is really needed.[clean surface].[ battery neg.to body sheet metal.] everything else is searching for ground path except starter motor. otherwise how does it get there? thru trans shift linkage? throttle cable? don't know if this is your condition, but above must be certain. it will cause flickering at any time. just trying to help rpmagoo.
 
----- read and saw a pic of eng. comp. at minimum you need (1) ground strap from cyl.head to fire wall, (2) a hard wired body ground wire [8ga.] is really needed.[clean surface].[ battery neg.to body sheet metal.] -----
-- (1) Has always been there - not visible in picture. -- (2) Recently added. -- Flickering is gone now (see post #11) --- no amp gauge or temp gauge. -- Will add a Volt Meter, and a Temp Gauge & carry a Fire Extinguisher. -- I really appreciate all of the help from You Guys. -- It was a frustrating experience. -- Thanks -- Dick
 
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ALT' gauge and thermal gauges are on two completely separate circuits. How/why the TEMP' gauge is now inop is a mystery to me.
 
I can understand why the flickering might be gone after moving the wires on the alternator gauge because ALL of the current goes through it and therefore if it were intermittent it could cause the flickering problem. Redfish is correct about the temperature gauge though, it has nothing to do with the alternator circuit. I wouldn't panic however because the temperature gauge operates off of a 5 volt (I believe) regulator and is very unlikely to cause a fire issue. The gas gauge uses the same regulator, is that working?
 
ALT' gauge and thermal gauges are on two completely separate circuits. How/why the TEMP' gauge is now inop is a mystery to me.
Prob'ly loose nuts on the circuit board just like the ammeter.
Better bypass that, too, just to be safe, and cut a hole in the hood for a genuine moto-meter. (wink)
 
Tried grounding the wire that goes to the sending unit on the engine and see if your gauge goes to full hot, if it does something happened to you sending unit. There is nothing wrong, however with add a 2 gauge under dash panel with a temperature and voltage gauge, it will be more accurate and you NEED a voltage gauge. Good Luck
 
-- ALT' gauge and thermal gauges are on two completely separate circuits. How/why the TEMP' gauge is now inop is a mystery to me. --
-- Don't know -- But -- they are next door neighbors on the circuit board.
 
I tested old one with ohm meter, it showed hi resistance (Mega ohms), so I assumed good?
I had 2 new ones (one w/triangle plug and one old school "looking" black box). Not cheap up here, triangle plug one was $70 with connector so I returned it.
Thanks!
Gauges I used are "Z" series 2 1/16"
 
I tested old one with ohm meter, it showed hi resistance (Mega ohms), so I assumed good?
I had 2 new ones (one w/triangle plug and one old school "looking" black box). Not cheap up here, triangle plug one was $70 with connector so I returned it.
Thanks!
Gauges I used are "Z" series 2 1/16"
Don't blame you for that, I am using an aftermarket temperature gauge and I haven't used the in dash gauge in 20 years.
 
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