Original Super Stock HEMI Barracuda BO29
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edward63
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These are two different cars. the green car is an original BO29. It was destroyed in a fire. The red cuda was built about 1976 by Minnesota legend Jerry Hemmingson
hemicop
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There's nothing mystical about building a Hemi A-body. Actually in some ways it's easier than doing a 440 A-body. Keep in mind these cars were minimal in equipment & the parts were from other, less expensive vehicles and what wasn't were simple fabricated pieces. Example: the de-clutching fan was taken from a Dodge truck. the seats, as we all know, were from an A100 pick-up/van. An 8 3/4 rear came under almost everything back then so finding a wrecked anything will give you the raw material. The 727 was nothing special except for its reverse valve-body. The converter was the "trick" & is available everywhere now. The Hemi itself? Admittedly that's expensive BUT unlike a wedge engine the exhaust ports exit under (?) the engine as opposed to out the side of the motor making fitting the headers less of a hassle. Why do you think 440 wedge headers are fender-well exit? I could go on, but no one should be intimidated by a build like this as the factory really did do all the R&D for us & that info has been around for literally decades.
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Well that is not necessarily true. There are over 200 different components (not parts) that are different from a original Hemi car and a Dart. If you are building clones or a race/bracket car then there are MANY short cuts that can be taken. I have assembled a real 440 Dart and there are several one off parts for that car but compared Hemi car, not even close. You mentioned the 8 3/4” rear end. Yes, many of the parts are off the shelf but they still had to be special ordered. Here is a list of changes that were made just for a Hemi Dart.
1) Spring seats moved in because of off set hangers.
2) Spring Seats rotated 2 degrees dr side, 6 degrees pass side….so the leaf springs will seat correctly.
3) 4:88 gears installed.
4) 4 1/2” bolt pattern.
5) All Right hand threads on both sides
6) 1/2” wheel lugs and studs.
7) 4 speed cars got a Dana ( I know you mentioned auto trans but I’m just throwing this in there)
8) Last but not least there is a huge debate on the year/length of what diff was used.
I’m sure I’m missing something’s but these are the ones I remember off the top of my head. As I said, if your building a clone, street car, no can run a stock rear end but it won’t last and it’s not right. View attachment 1715882920View attachment 1715882921View attachment 1715882920 View attachment 1715882921
hemicop
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I don't get the difference between "components" and "parts"........but whatever. Many of the parts are still available and those that aren't can be made...i.e. seat brackets, delete plates, battery tray, etc. And I think most guys nowadays want to build a clone of some type as the originals are simply too much money to restore or too valuable to drive or race unless you have some pretty deep pockets. I've done 3 Hemi Darts, the first some Chrysler engineers thought was an original. My current one, save for the non-cut quarters, is pretty darn close to a circa mid-'70s S/Ser and yes it has the correct seat brackets. delete plates & all that so cosmetically it's "right'. The car is actually what I imagined what Mr. Norm think would have done if someone walked in & demanded a street-legal Hemi Dart. As to the car's rear-end---that admittedly is the most incorrect as I used a 9in. when I mini-tubbed it. My avatar is the car's engine bay so you can see aside from the new x-ram & radiator it's not unlike what you'd see in the pits in the mid-'70s. These cars were never made to be used "as shipped" so there's no reason to take a bit of liberty in building them. For those that can build EXACT replicas---good for them! I don't think it'd be that much fun........
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A “component” for an example is a complete rear end or a steering column. So when I said “there are over 200 different components in a original Hemi Dart” I’m counting the rear diff as 1 and the steering column as 2……
I have built two “as delivered” clones and it works for me. I have built 8 sec race cars, 10 sec street cars and now I professionally build hi end show cars but not many people have ever seen or believe that these Hemi Darts and Barracudas ever left the manufacture looking this these. As I said, it works for me.
I have built two “as delivered” clones and it works for me. I have built 8 sec race cars, 10 sec street cars and now I professionally build hi end show cars but not many people have ever seen or believe that these Hemi Darts and Barracudas ever left the manufacture looking this these. As I said, it works for me.
Awesome picture above ^^ Wow.
There was one of these Barracudas sitting at an apartment complex in Lakewood Colorado- back in the 80's. I was a teen and me and my friend were just getting into mopars. It would have been raced at Bandimere. It was pretty rough as I recall. For the life of me I can't remember what was written on the side of it... maybe it will come to me. Anyone familiar with one being raced in Colorado in the mid 80's?
There was one of these Barracudas sitting at an apartment complex in Lakewood Colorado- back in the 80's. I was a teen and me and my friend were just getting into mopars. It would have been raced at Bandimere. It was pretty rough as I recall. For the life of me I can't remember what was written on the side of it... maybe it will come to me. Anyone familiar with one being raced in Colorado in the mid 80's?
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two different cars. the red one is not the green one
fish stink
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Hay Dave i am not sure if this helps but i was told to order and i did the book Authenticity guide 1968 dart & barracuda Hemi super stock book is called the auto review from Jim Schild with Larry Griffith. I got it from Mancini racing and it has so much information on how they were built.
Josecuda
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It seems this same car is going on for sale now in 2023.
Hemi Barracuda BO29
Plymouth 1968 Hemi Barracuda BO29 Hurst 4-speed. Project car for restoration. Never been tubbed. Original sheet metal including light weight
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Not mine, but wanted to share.
Seth Jones
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Is it possible this is Nelson Stoltz's Kandy Kuda originally? There was some speculation that Carlton ended up with it when Nelson sold it. Nelson was involved in a minor racing accident at Muncie Dragway and repaired a fender,skinned one door and possibly fixed the quarter. I see this car has some old school slide hammer repairs on the quarter.
It's been many years so I don't remember everything but it's something like this. Ray Christian parked the Barracuda in front of his shop a lot but he also had a mean dog that was chained to the car. One day Ray came in to find the car and his dog gone. Now it gets hazy, his dog was found down the road dead. Seems the thieves kept him chained to the car. Never got the car back so at least one of his '68 cars is a clone. As far as the original car being a 4 speed, that didn't stay in the car because Ray and his partner Shelby Starkey built racing torqueflites. One of them blew up in the first car. Those two put their heads together and designed/machined 2 or 3 aluminum 727 Hemi front drums because of the explosion and parts coming through the floor. They built Bob Marshalls trannys for his "Dodge Material" '65 hemi cars and he was the man to beat for awhile. Bob had one of the lite weight tranny drums and was supposed to ALWAYS bring the trans back to have it built. He did for a couple years then he took his torqueflite AND Christians/Starkey's drum to Paul Forte. When Paul saw what they had machined, he copied it and marketed it as his own! Sue me Paul..
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