Prayers For Alfie

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  1. enigma57

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    For those who think that government run healthcare has merit...... Please consider the case of Alfie Evans in the UK. Alfie is 23 months of age and very ill. The hospital there has determined to remove life support against the wishes of his parents following a series of court cases. The courts in the UK have ruled that his parents are not permitted to take him home nor to another hospital for treatment. They are not permitted to bring him a donated C-pap or Bi-pap machine to help him breathe after the hospital removed life support Monday. They are not permitted to feed him themselves. They are only permitted to watch their little boy die.

    As of now, Alfie is breathing on his own (hospital claimed he couldn't) and only following public outcry, the hospital has finally fed him once since Monday and he is (barely) surviving without further care. The Italian government has granted Alfie Italian citizenship and has sent a military plane that has been waiting for days now to transfer him to a hospital in Italy, but the government and the courts in the UK have sided with the UK hospital and against his parents' wishes, won't allow him to be taken elsewhere for treatment. The German government has an air ambulance waiting nearby to transport him as well. Even so...... The government and courts and the hospital there in the UK seem determined to kill this little boy and the wishes of his parents and of others who want to help him don't mean a thing to them.

    Next time anyone tells you what a wondrous thing it would be to entrust your life and your healthcare to a government run system...... Remember this little boy and put yourself or your loved ones in his place......

    Alfie Evans' parents make last-ditch attempt to overturn court ruling

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    Prayers for Alfie,

    Harry and Family
     
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    • Old man ray

      Old man ray Banned Member FABO Gold Member

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      Wow.
       
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      • ramenth

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        It's not the first case.

        A year ago a simliar thing happened. The hospital said the boy wouldn't live. A hospital near Chicago (I think) said they could give the boy and his family hope. Doctors here said they could save the boy. The British courts ruled the parents couldn't bring him here and ordered them to watch him die.

        Weep for a nation that treats their children as disposable. Weep for the human race who considers children disposable.

        My heart breaks thinking this could be one of mine.

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        • 4spdragtop

          4spdragtop CONGRATS NORTH AMERICA! FABO Gold Member

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          Prayers sent. Unbelievable.
           
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          • zigs

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            This is just wrong. I've been praying ever since I read it.
             
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            • 4spdragtop

              4spdragtop CONGRATS NORTH AMERICA! FABO Gold Member

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              Heartbreaking....i can't imagine if it was my family member.
              I see why people are driven to murder
               
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              • jos51700

                jos51700 Green Bearing thread connoisseur

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                This is what happens when a society looks to the government to solve their individual problems. Sickening.
                 
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                • JeffisOld

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                  Prayers sent!
                   
                • enigma57

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                  You may recall as well, the recent case of the father who saved his son's life at Tomball Regional Hospital just North of Houston......

                  A father’s desperate – but dangerous – strategy to keep his ‘brain dead’ son on life support

                  There is a lot more to the story than what is printed in the article I linked to above. I heard the live radio interview of Mr. Pickering earlier this week. You can find it here on podcast...... Look at April 25 and 26, 2018 entries...... George Pickering Interview......

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                  Mr. Pickering's lawyer phoned in and is in the interview, as well. After going over records subpoenaed from the hospital and statements made by the nurse who attempted to euthanize (nurse's own words as noted in police report) his son by giving him a lethal injection both during the time Mr. Pickering was in his son's hospital room and following the standoff with SWAT after SWAT medical team members independently confirmed that Mr. Pickering's son was in fact responsive and not 'brain dead' as the doctors at Tomball Hospital had claimed...... Mr. Pickering's lawyer found disturbing evidence that...... Well, I'll let you listen to it yourselves. I'll only say that she was so disturbed by what she found in hospital records of this and other cases that she stated during the interview that she has changed her own designation on her drivers license to no longer be an organ donor.

                  You really have to listen to this from beginning to end to understand how this man nearly forfeited his own life to save his son. I might add that Mr. Pickering's son had been in the hospital less than 24 hours following his stroke when this incident took place and he interceded to keep hospital staff from killing his son.

                  But thanks to G-d and a loving father, Mr. Pickering's son was up and walking within weeks following his stroke. And his father would do it all over again, including the lengthy periods he spent in jail following this incident and even accepting a plea bargain rather than fighting the case in court so he could get out of jail on time served after the better part of a year and see to his son's recovery.

                  Best regards to all,

                  Harry
                   
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                • adriver

                  adriver Blazing Apostle

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                  Earlier I had no "reply" box in any thread I tried to post in .
                  I thought someone was giving me a hint. ;-)
                  However, I was able to hit "Reply" in the OP though.
                  Ok, I'm back on line now.
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                  I looked at the links and saw scant medical information.
                  It seems to be an argument over where he will die.
                  Is anyone of the opinion that Alfie will live if he is moved to another facility?
                  Is the argument over which palliative care?
                  From the German comment, looks like that struck a nerve.
                  The Mirror said his mother held him all night when he came off the ventilator and it was hard for him to breath.

                  The judge said the best Alfie’s parents could hope for was to explore the options of removing him from intensive care either to a ward, a hospice or his home.

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                • enigma57

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                  Many thanks for our thoughtful comments, adriver. Much appreciated.

                  In answer to your question...... What is happening to Alfie Evans is wrong on so many levels...... I cannot begin to put it all into words this evening.

                  As I see it, the primary issue here is that in the UK, the state (the present government acting through its government run healthcare entity known as the National Health Service) does not recognize the right of each individual to self-determination. Nor of the right of parents to make such decisions for their children who have not yet attained the age of majority. In short...... The present government in the UK doesn't recognize the right of Alfie Evans' parents to make the decisions regarding his treatment and indeed, his very freedom to be treated wherever and by whomever his parents determine. Else, they would have allowed Alfie's parents to come to his aid and with his parents' permission, for the Italian government which has granted Alfie Italian citizenship and has had a plane waiting for days to take him to Italy for treatment.

                  This is the danger a people subject themselves to when they trade personal freedom and self-determination for the illusion of a benevolent government taking care of them from cradle to grave (socialism). Socialism and statism you see, are the antithesis of true democracy and its attendant personal freedoms and rights of self-determination.

                  Socialism and statism are all about power. The power of the state, acting through a self-proclaimed elitist ruling class over every aspect of the lives of those living within the state. This is why the present government in the UK will not allow Alfie's parents to exercise what we here in America would view as their unalienable parental rights to act on his behalf as they see fit. (Unalienable/inalienable meaning G-d given and therefore unable to be either given away nor taken away.) For if the state government in the UK were to set a precedent by allowing Alfie's parents to determine his treatment, other people there would rightly expect the same consideration and challenge the state's contention that it is all powerful. And the state cannot allow that. No, that would never do......

                  That's how I see it, anyway.

                  Best regards and our family's prayers to Alfie and his parents,

                  Harry and Family
                   
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