Pulleys got me pulling my hair out

[plumkrazee70]

69 barracuda, 85 roller 318.

I have a 69 water pump, however I have the pulleys from the 85 motor, I can get the crank water pump and alternator to line up no problem. The trouble I'm having is I cannot get the power steering pump to line up.

It's currently occupying the space of the alternator drive belt.

I can move the alternator drive belt up one groove, however it doesn't appear that I can run a belt from the crank to the power steering pump, without the belt interfering with the water pump pulley. It's very close to the crank pulley.

I've never had a car with power steering before, amd this is an absolute nightmare.

I'm not sure why I'm having so many issues because all the pulleys are from the 85 motor, except for the 69 water pump is shorter than the 70 and up.

Can I run a long belt from the crank to the power steering pump over to the water pump over to the alternator? That would do it cuz they all end up with the same groove.

Attached are some pictures, any help would highly appreciated. I'm trying to get this thing running I just want to finish this part so I can move on to other things.

 

[nutz]

you need to start with the 69 or older w/p pulley

 

[plumkrazee70]

you need to start with the 69 or older w/p pulley

I'm really thinking that I need to get the correct 69 w/p pulley and crank. Mainly because doesn't the alt belt go on first (closest to motor) then the ps belt?

 

[plumkrazee70]

I just put in a want ad. Super frustrating.

 

[middleagecrisis]

Looks like the alternator belt could run on the front part of the two groove pulley. Does it not lineup correctly with the crank pulley in that configuration? If you could do that, it looks like you could run your power steering pump off the rear groove of the two pulley set up.

 

[plumkrazee70]

Looks like the alternator belt could run on the front part of the two groove pulley. Does it not lineup correctly with the crank pulley in that configuration? If you could do that, it looks like you could run your power steering pump off the rear groove of the two pulley set up.

So that's what I thought, but if I do that the ps belt rubs on the WP pulley, it's so close to the crank pulley.

 

[WV64Signet]

I used these for sizing things up on my LA

Good luck! I know it's super annoying. Ma MOPAR uses so many different combinations.

Pulley ID thread

This needs a bump and should be in the How-to section for reference...

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Pulley Diameters

I had a Farmall tractor that I ran 24-7 for 3 weeks at the time powering paddlewheel airator in catfish ponds that didn't even have a water pump on it and while working in stationary position didn't run hot!

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[Killer6]

I just put in a want ad. Super frustrating.

Where's the air pump bracket, are there washers to stand-in place of it? That may skew the PS some.(EDIT...NO)
That said, the crank & WP grooves don't appear to line up, unless it's a phone-cam trick. The 'double-sheave' on the Alt./Crank would also go around the A/C if equipped, 2 matched belts. From '79 F-body FSM, & pics of My '87 Dakota V-6....

Alt./Crank/A/C(or idler stand-in) are innermost (2) grooves, P/S next groove out, Air Pump farthest out.
As A-body Joe below says, they work as a team, or else expect to do some work to make it work.

 

[abodyjoe]

I have a 69 water pump, however I have the pulleys from the 85 motor,

you either need 69 timing cover and water pump along with the 69 pulleys or you need the 85 timing cover, water pump and pulleys but then you'll need to figure out rad hosess

I'm not sure why I'm having so many issues because all the pulleys are from the 85 motor, except for the 69 water pump is shorter than the 70 and up.

you answered your own question.. they are a set.



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[4eighteener]

I know it doesn't solve your power steering pump issue, but the ears on the alternator are usually on the backside of the alternator bracket, not in front of as shown in your photo.

 

[plumkrazee70]

Thanks everyone. I'm waiting to hear back from a member on a set of 69 pulleys.

 

[Professor Fate]

I know it doesn't solve your power steering pump issue, but the ears on the alternator are usually on the backside of the alternator bracket, not in front of as shown in your photo.

Not on any small block factory alternator/factory bracket that I've ever seen ( not counting the factory AC setups).

Your alignment will be off and the alternator spacers wouldn't even fit if you put the alternator ear behind the bracket.

 

[Icetech]

I run my alt off the front pulley and PS off the back... PS on mine only uses the crank/ps pulley nothing over the water pump... that looks like it would work for you

 

[4eighteener]

Not on any small block factory alternator/factory bracket that I've ever seen ( not counting the factory AC setups).
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Your alignment will be off and the alternator spacers wouldn't even fit if you put the alternator ear behind the bracket.

I guess I am dealing with factory ac brackets as the alternator ears are sandwiched between the front and rear ac compressor mounted both to the front of the water pump in the front, and the rear bracket mounted to the cylinder head.
Since the ear of the op's bracket looks bent backwards, I assumed he installed it without the bracket or a spacer.

 

[George Jets]

1969 318 no ps, Alt, Fan, Crank.

For power steering, fan and crank.

Kind of a pulley where the inside crank pulley belt groove is smaller diameter than the outside (PS) larger diameter belt groove, and they are tight together made as one.

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[George Jets]

1969 cast iron water pump, fan pulley.

And probably something like this double pulley for the crankshaft.

Larger outer belt groove for the power steering belt.


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[Icetech]

This is odd...my bergman kit came with a belt to put the PS on the rear pulley and not go around the water pump at all... did they change that at some point?

 

[nutz]

Not that I know of
Think all ps only run from crank to ps pump
Alt from crank and we
Only ac have double alt wp pullies

 

[plumkrazee70]

Thanks guys. I got a set of 69 pulleys coming from @Capt46 I appreciate everyones input.

I was going crazy, but I see now. If I would have just ditched the power steering pump, it would have been all good. Lol. But I already have it and I didn't want to spend more money on a manual box.

 

[Killer6]

Not that I know of
Think all ps only run from crank to ps pump
Alt from crank and we
Only ac have double alt wp pullies

You're not looking at what's posted, the OP is using '85 pulleys, I posted exactly what that setup is like in post#8. The PS belt is the only belt driving the water pump....(EDIT, unless You're running an air pump as well,....)