Question About Using a Piston Stop Tool

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So Ive been reading quite a few posts where people are being advised to use a piston stop to find tdc. I have never used one before, so I went searching for info on how to use one, found some good instructions, but havent gotten a clear answer to the question of how far do you screw in the center part of the stop? As far as I can see, it is impossible to screw it in so the pistons actually stops at tdc(because that is what you are trying to find), so does the stop just automatically find tdc no matter the depth the stop is set at, so long as you rotate both ways, marking where it stops, then finding the center of the two? If so, there must be some mathematics involved that Im not aware of.
Thanks FABO
 
You do NOT want the tool stopping the piston "at" tdc and you do not in fact want it stopping where the crank, "arc" starts to flatten out. Rather you want the tool to stop the piston "down in" a ways, distance not that important, and then crank it around THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION so that the thing is stopped again at the same depth.

You mark the stop point in each direction on the crank, temporarily, and then measure halfway in between, and that point is TDC. If the original mark is accurate, that is where it will be.

I did not even do mine scientifically, but it has always worked faithfully. I built this one for SB Mopars in about 1972 or 73 and still have it.

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I simply ran a tap through a gutten spark plug shell and threaded a bolt in there

One caveat....many "bought" ones have a poor way to lock the plunger. I have advocated adding a lock nut on the back side to rigidly lock them. You do not want them to wiggle

For me, finding the dividing point between the two resulting temporary marks is easy. I just use dividers. If you clean up the dampener, and lay down some white paper or even masking tape, you can "prick" the material with your dividers and you might have to go back/ forth a couple times. If you get the two marks either overlapping or approaching each other so that they are say, 1/8 apart, you can easily visually divide it from there and be pretty accurate.

If you ever studied plane geometry, you can make an arc with our dividers from each temporary, and at the top and bottom where the two arcs cross will give you the intersecting points for a straightedge across. This does not work well on some engines, with marrow balancers.

I used to use this a lot doing tuneups in the Navy. I found a few of the FE fords with slipped balancer rings, and often checked them before trying to reset the timing.
 
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A cheap dial indicator and a magnetic base are the ideal tools for this task. You can get both at Harbor Freight for very little money.

Tom
 
Your stopping the piston by rotating the crank till the piston hits the stop, put a mark on the damper when a fixed pointer lines up to, then turning the engine the opposite direction tlll the piston contacts the stop... Same thing, make a mark... Now measure the distant between those marks, cut that number in half & you have your center point, that is TDC..
 
No math involved. Now this is done by hand with the battery disconnected and spark plugs removed for ease of rotating by hand.
Install stop at number 0ne piston hole. Left front on Mopars.
Either using the belts or crankshaft socket rotate clock wise until crankshaft stops.
Put a mark on the damper at TDC mark.
Rotate counter clockwise until it stops again.
Put another mark on the damper at the TDC mark.
Now use a flexible tape and measure distance between both marks.
1/2 of that distance mark the damper again.

"This is crankshaft TDC."
 
, so does the stop just automatically find tdc no matter the depth the stop is set at, so long as you rotate both ways, marking where it stops, then finding the center of the two?

Yes.

No math.

On the typical Mopar damper, 36 degrees is 2.25” from TDC.
 
A cheap dial indicator and a magnetic base are the ideal tools for this task. You can get both at Harbor Freight for very little money.

Tom

I think a piston stop is easier when the motor is in the car with the heads on.
 
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