Refurbishing the 21k-mile '69 Valiant 100

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**For those interested in the backstory:**
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=291896

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I was asked in the previous thread what I planned for this Valiant. Seeing as finding a 21,000-mile, pre-emissions 4-door A-body with 3/4 of its original paint still present (and decent) isn't quite the easiest thing to do, the plan is to preserve it as best as possible, and as close to stock as possible. Not necessarily concourse, but with an effort to originality, where reasonable.

At the moment, I'm getting the car to the point of being entirely reliable, before anything else. The no-run condition was a case of flushing the fuel system and rebuilding the Holley 1920, though the problem was more or less due to the float on the carb, which was set too low.

Carb and under the hood, as-found. Dirty little fuel filter there!

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After the carb rebuild, an occasional misfire and clattering rockers awaited me. The PO had installed Champion spark plugs with the compression washers still present. The plugs obviously saw some miles and the spark plug tube gaskets were in need of replacement. This is not the best picture, but it sums up the right side of the block:

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I was able to pick up a new valve cover gasket and spark plug tube seals today, and had already bought a set of NGK GR4 plugs in advance. However, the lines to the heater core (and the water pump bypass) were rock solid and ready to snap. And they did. They were the originals to the car.

I replaced the heater hoses this morning with later production, NOS Mopar 4-rib replacement hose. While I kept the original clamps at the copper heater core, I chose to use Ideale stainless clamps at the engine. Easier to work with than the factory clamps, especially when working with that lousy bypass hose.

When I went to pressure test the system, I found the tiniest stress crack in the radiator, right next to the filler neck. You'll see where I cleaned the area of paint in the photos below. Just the same, the crack is so small that I can get away with a few test drives without issue, and the system does well holding pressure.

With this done, I proceeded to clean the spark plug tubes, install the new seals, cut the washers off the new plugs and install them, clean the block on the RH side and throw some paint on the head. Couldn't find Chrysler Blue ANYWHERE in town, so I wound up blending some GM Blue with white for a pretty close match in a Preval sprayer - but the mix was way too runny/thinned out. It worked though, and since the paint wasn't that hot, I went ahead and sprayed the valve cover as-is. I'll probably blast it in the future sometime when I want to do it right.

Pulling the valve cover was next - no easy feat with those heater lines in the way. Found the gasket split on the top. Replaced it with a rubber FelPro unit. I found that the exhaust lash was set correct, but the intake valves were more or less at the same setting as the exhaust valves. I set them cold and let it at that. Torqued the valve cover on at 40 inch pounds with no sealant.

The 225 started up perfectly. No clatter (just the nice, even, tractoresque sound of the solid lifters), no misfires, no leaks - except for that bit on the radiator. Took it around the block a bit; did great.

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I would have gone farther, but I can't hear myself think when driving - the muffler has a hole in it, which is half the size of the muffler itself. The rest of the pipe is the original non-aluminized system which has turned to solid rust, holes, and epoxy. I'm awaiting on a replacement system from a Dart owned by a forum member here - with any luck, I can get away with cutting 4" off the length to match the 108" wheelbase.

-Kurt
 
interesting great car.... keep us [posted on progress... I love watching other guys spend some $$$ LOL and making great progress!
 

The exhaust came out today. You can imagine what a booming racket this swiss-cheese exhaust was making - and it still sounded better than a ricebox with a coffee can stuck-'n-cut into its bumper:

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A fellow forum member sold me a good, used exhaust system from a '67 Dart. The longer forward pipe didn't want to play nice under the Valiant regardless of length (fit issue was at the trans hanger and torsion bar crossmember more than anything else). Luckily, the previous pipe had fared well enough to reuse it.

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The muffler was fun. 1-7/8" on the inlet, 2" on the outlet. More or less - my brain was fried after trying to keep all the sections straight. It worked on the exit pipe that came with it, but not the original forward section. Expander didn't help. Wound up cutting the inlet and welding a connector on it that was the right size. Almost bought another muffler, but nobody in town had anything under 2.5", forcing me to get this to work:

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And I was well rewarded with a nice, quiet six-cylinder warble to go with the clacking of solid lifters. The old New York tag (HPG - Nassau County) seems to suit it quite well.

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-Kur
 
I just love this little '69 Valiant of yours, keep up the good work and updates as they happen.
 
Thanks, gentlemen!

Just brazed up the hole in the radiator today and took her to the local BBQ joint - where she failed to start when cranking. Pushed it to the gas station (I had all of 5 gallons of her since last week); no change. Fuel looked low in the filter, but it was getting to the carb.

Then I realized that the choke spring was WAY too tight/rich. Disconnected the choke and she fired up. I'd like to see someone pull that off with a modern, fuel injected wondercar.

Time to adjust it and buy an electric choke conversion. Any good source for that #1231 e-choke conversion kit?

-Kurt
 
Wow, that's a beautiful 69. I had a 69 V100 that looked just like that (same color even) when it was new, but someone painted it tan.
 

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Very cool, really clean car there! I have a soft spot for four doors, my belvedere was a 38k mile car, but not nearly as clean, now 15 years later has about 56k (lots of blown up engines in my youth). Keep that one a time capsule, I sometimes think about going back closer to stock on mine.
 

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Very cool, really clean car there! I have a soft spot for four doors, my belvedere was a 38k mile car, but not nearly as clean, now 15 years later has about 56k (lots of blown up engines in my youth). Keep that one a time capsule, I sometimes think about going back closer to stock on mine.

I hear you there about going back to stock - but you've nailed the stance on that '70 Belvedere - and that's coming from a fellow who is a sucker for as-stock-as-possible 4-door, 1968-70 B-bodies (which are almost all but ignored at the B-body forum #-o).

I'm salivating over that picture.

Honestly, not too far in the back of my mind is a wish to dig up the plainest '68 or '69 4-door Belvedere, dog dishes and no trim rings. Essentially an undercover cruiser of the era. I had that in mind when the Valiant showed up, and figured the little A-body was as close as I'd get to the Belvedere.

There was a '66 Coronet 440 on the same lot too, but it was rotted up from the bottom beyond feasible repair.

-Kurt
 
Thanks for the kind words, I've had that car since I was 15 and used to wish it was a 2 door, but I wouldn't trade for one now! I actually had a 66 coronet deluxe four door, slant radio delete, but it was rotted really bad too, but that car was the reliable car between blown up big blocks in the belvedere! I finally scored an air grabber hood for it and grafted the quarter scoops in, so the plan is paint next year...
 

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Thanks for the kind words, I've had that car since I was 15 and used to wish it was a 2 door, but I wouldn't trade for one now! I actually had a 66 coronet deluxe four door, slant radio delete, but it was rotted really bad too, but that car was the reliable car between blown up big blocks in the belvedere! I finally scored an air grabber hood for it and grafted the quarter scoops in, so the plan is paint next year...

Love the air grabber scoop - and I was about to ask about those quarter scoops. My expertise hasn't worked it's way that deep into Mopars yet to know whether those had been grafted off a Road Runner or not.

You've got me thinking about getting my hands on the really rough 1970 Barracuda down the block now...

Wow, that's a beautiful 69. I had a 69 V100 that looked just like that (same color even) when it was new, but someone painted it tan.

Tell me, was there any evidence of it having a bodyside stripe down its length? Seems to have been a common option - most of the 100's I see have them, mine excluded. Nothing in the broadcast sheet was ticked under the mouldings section.

Come to think of it, mine has hardly anything listed in the broadcast sheet other than power steering, factory undercoating + hood pad, and the heater (not including the obvious arm rests and foam seats).

-Kurt
 
The only thing my car had was a heater and a radio.. No evidence of a stripe.
 
Been going through master cylinder hell with this thing.

If you take a look at the photos, you can see that the P/O put a disc/drum master cylinder in it. It leaks through the cap, so I figured this would be an opportune time to replace it with the proper one. I ordered a Cardone Select "new" MC (that ought to give you a hint of problems to come). Ugly little thing with a bolt holding it down on top. Looked like bleeding the brakes would be a fun (NOT!) job with the bolt. So be it. Went to install it and found the rear piston-to-rod O-ring was missing from the box.

After cutting a bit of fuel line to take place of the missing O-ring (worked perfectly in both the MC piston and the rod, and removing it later required about the same amount of extraction violence as with a factory O-ring), I began to bench bleed the master in the car - except the front reservoir would not pass fluid smoothly, even after ~75 pedal pumps. Conclusion? Bad "new" Cardone MC.

Pulled it out, and the piston came right out the back too, thanks to the rod still being connected to the pedal. Wouldn't have expected the piston retainer to have been THAT flimsy, but it was - all of a lousy tab at one side.

Then I figured I could do a bit better by ordering a manual 9" drum/drum MC from a 1973+ Valiant; taking advantage of the smaller 15/16" bore and the clip-on cover.

Went to three stores, and found only one that actually had one of these at their warehouse - AutoZone. Brand was OEM ProStop/Fenco. Ordered it, waited two days, went to pick it up. Was given a taped-up box with a really ratty rebuild - but more importantly, the cover retainer rod was missing. Refused it immediately.

My last local attempt was with a local mom-and-pop auto supply place - they ordered a Cardone unit from a Tampa warehouse, last the warehouse had. It arrived today, and we found the same flippin' disc/drum master cylinder that's on my car now shoved in the wrong box.

What an utter pain. Just ordered one from Amazon. Arriving Saturday. Crossing my fingers...

-Kurt
 
I've had the same luck with masters. I'm on my second Cardone rebuild and I noticed that it is seeping from the cap again. Argh!

Love the car, by the way. Loving basic, stock cars like these sure saves some money, because I don't care how fast they go! :)
 
I had a similar problem with my belvedere, so when I did my dart I converted to the newer aluminum style from a diplomat. The cylinder is cheap ($30) new not rebuilt, but the adapter from two to four bolts is pricey. On your car it'd be nice to keep the oe look, but that's always another option.
 
Had some problems with the charging system - ammeter showed virtually no charge while driving.

After a few tests, I swapped the original single-field manual regulator with an aftermarket electric regulator - also single field (looks more or less the same as the original, just with a flatter "box") not the '70+ dual-field unit.

Turned it on and took it for a test drive. I seem to be getting good charge when coasting in drive (needle up 1/4 right of center) or accelerating (needle is about 1/2 right of center), but if I back up or have all my lights on + brake lights while stopped, it's barely charging - and if I compound this with dash lights and the turn signal, I can get the needle left of center.

I'm not sure of the alternator is at fault, or if this is normal operation since it will reliably charge upon acceleration. Thoughts?

P.S.: I stuck my Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera in the car to test the dynamic range of the camera inside the car. This is the result. No sound, but the footage came out great. Figured you fellows would get a kick out of it:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZaOZiFXdtk"]Valiant BMPCC Test[/ame]

-Kurt
 
Nice clean car, do you have a local NAPA near you? They should be able to help you with the master cylinder.
Keep in mind if the master cylinder is bad, the wheel cylinders, rubber lines are most likely will need replaced.
 
I had a similar charging issue with my Dart; it wasn't charging much past 13.1 V. It kept the battery up enough, but I replaced it anyway with a $25 Rock Auto alternator, and that solved the problem. Normally, I may do a little bit more investigation, but the alternator looked original and the bearings were shot, so I just replaced it.

Additionally, someone had replaced the voltage regulator somewhere along the line.
 
Nice clean car, do you have a local NAPA near you? They should be able to help you with the master cylinder.
Keep in mind if the master cylinder is bad, the wheel cylinders, rubber lines are most likely will need replaced.

I was able to order the 15/16" 4-wheel drum version for '73+ from Amazon. Brand new, looks good. I shot the MC with dark gunmetal silver before installing it. Brakes work fine after bleeding.

Haven't had any leaking yet, but getting a look behind the drums is next up. Getting some creaking from the back which is most likely due to no grease on the back plates where the shoes slide.

Honestly, when I find original lines showing no dry rot, no obvious problems, or bulging, I'm reluctant to replace them. The Chinese rubber we get from the parts store has a tendency to dry rot faster than a banana peel decomposes.

I had a similar charging issue with my Dart; it wasn't charging much past 13.1 V. It kept the battery up enough, but I replaced it anyway with a $25 Rock Auto alternator, and that solved the problem. Normally, I may do a little bit more investigation, but the alternator looked original and the bearings were shot, so I just replaced it.

Additionally, someone had replaced the voltage regulator somewhere along the line.

I went from Advance Auto to Pep Boys and finally AutoZone before I found a replacement regulator in town. Luckily, AutoZone had two stores in town with one in stock, and at least one store was nearby.

Looks as if a lousy re-manufactured single-wire alternator is next - but I'm going to send the original out for a proper rebuild at a nearby shop that is familiar with the single-field units.

-Kurt
 
Replaced the alternator, and all seems well.

Carb has been driving me nuts though. The economizer cover plate won't seat flat, and it's leaking through the weep hole at times, with suggests the accelerator pump unit is warped too - and I tightened it down correctly. Bowl is also bent.

It seems as if not a single surface is flat as intended on this particular Holley 1920. It's getting on my nerves. Might get a better core to work from. Anyone have a correct, '69 Holley 1920 shell they'll part with?

-Kurt
 
cudak888, I have the mate to your car. 69 V100 southern car that spent all but the last 6 months in Georgia. 69000 original miles on her. I am starting a thread right now on a total restoration. good luck, Bill
 

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cudak888, I have the mate to your car. 69 V100 southern car that spent all but the last 6 months in Georgia. 69000 original miles on her. I am starting a thread right now on a total restoration. good luck, Bill

I remember seeing that (and someone else here has a beast of a turbocharged one, a '70 or '71, if I recall).

EDIT: I was thinking of Bill Dedman's 360-powered '72: http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showpost.php?p=1111221&postcount=3

Doesn't look as if it needs that much; what do you have planned? Have a link to your thread?

-Kurt
 
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