Salter's BBM 383 build

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Let me begin by saying that like many of you on FABO, I really enjoy the automotive content on YT--especially the Mopar stuff--like JustMoparJoe, DeadDodge Garage, even Nicks Garage whom Salter seems to be calling attention to with this video.
1. .609" lift with a 1.7 rocker is a .358" lobe. Mr.Salter likes lift and so do I. Hydraulic roller? No sweat.
2. Cam in first. Is this even a question? It's natural, when a block comes out of the wash station for the last time, the next step is cam bearing installation, then you need to ensure the cam spins freely and that is when the camshaft goes in for the last time. Also I leave the cam plug out so you can reach in and support the end of the cam as you install it so minimal contact is made with the bearings sliding it through the cam bores.
3. For a crank to spin like that after a line hone requires 3 things. Only a motor oil or penetrating fluid-no assembly lube, no rear main seal, and probably .003"+ clearance.
4. Rolled deck? Is this in reference to the bore notches (which create crevice volume and usually kill power) or is he saying he had the deck surface machined more on the exhaust side of the deck? Like angle milling a cylinder head? I honestly don't know.
5. He doesn't like ball adjusters but states he doesn't know why. I do understand that ball/ball pushrods are plentiful and inexpensive but thats not hard to articulate. The way those Hughes rockers are setup will absolutely direct oil into the pushrod cup and do a better job at capturing the pushrod at very high angularity. Now if the lifters used are oil through pushrods then a "Chevy" style pushrod will work just fine as well. I'm sure after changing the adjusters the cost would equal out to a custom length cup style pushrod which in my mind = completely unnecessary .
6. Smacking the roller tip rocker on the Sharpied' valve tip doesn't prove correct geometry---making it travel through its range of motion does. I doubt the pattern is that narrow.
7. The port match shot is nice but I'd like to see the other 3 that are easy to see....there is always at least 1 that looks perfect...getting them all perfect is ..a waste of time IMO
8. I would have liked to know what the RPM manifold produced for vacuum as usually a DP will pick up a couple of "s. Also I would have liked to have seen the torque curve with it.
9. 418HP on the first pull and then 482HP after timing was set @ 35? How far off was the timing on it for it to be down 64hp? An engine will not pickup that much power with a timing change unless it is off Oh about 25-30 degrees. Basically you don't perform a full load pull without knowing exactly what your timing is at ! I feel if I told the world that I picked up 64 HP with a timing change the world would think I didn't know how to use a timing light and rightfully so.
10. "Really went to work" "Issues" This corroborates my experience with the lowly 383 and its unresponsiveness to power production which is a result of its horrendously slow piston speed. He states being on the dyno for 3 days and suggests that getting this engine to perform was a huge task. I'm inclined to agree and would like to know just what work was done because a 3 day bill on my dyno would look something like $2250.00 and I've only got a few customers willing to go there and exactly zero would on a 383 BBM.
11. Since when is a .030" plug gap tight? It also took 15 pulls to figure out the plug gap? Yeah, I would be looking at other areas before spending more than 2 pulls chasing a suspected sparkplug issue.
12. The 1 pull that is shown the dyno readout is blocked---WTH!?
13. I agree about the Torker, its actually a great manifold when you invest quite a few hours in it.

For a fully "tricked out" 383 with TF heads and a custom cam to barely eek out 500hp after a 3 day development thrash on the dyno is underwhelming to me. Oh and didn't Dulcich already do this with Modern Cyl Head ported Edelbrocks and a flat tappet cam over a decade ago?

This may seem harsh but its actually not, its just what I see when I watch this stuff. I actually like Mr.Salter and enjoy his content I just wish he had shared a bit more. There is a lot of missing info in this video. A lot. Interesting to be sure. J.Rob
 
You need to watch a few more of his videos on this build and it will answer alot of your questions. On the ignition, he would have went aftermarket and used different plugs. He also stated that he hasn't used that type of ignition I years and had to relearn how to get it to work with the amount of flow that engine produces.

For what that engine idles at and produces that kind of vacuum AND that kind of horsepower is an awesome build.
 

Let me begin by saying that like many of you on FABO, I really enjoy the automotive content on YT--especially the Mopar stuff--like JustMoparJoe, DeadDodge Garage, even Nicks Garage whom Salter seems to be calling attention to with this video.
1. .609" lift with a 1.7 rocker is a .358" lobe. Mr.Salter likes lift and so do I. Hydraulic roller? No sweat.
2. Cam in first. Is this even a question? It's natural, when a block comes out of the wash station for the last time, the next step is cam bearing installation, then you need to ensure the cam spins freely and that is when the camshaft goes in for the last time. Also I leave the cam plug out so you can reach in and support the end of the cam as you install it so minimal contact is made with the bearings sliding it through the cam bores.
3. For a crank to spin like that after a line hone requires 3 things. Only a motor oil or penetrating fluid-no assembly lube, no rear main seal, and probably .003"+ clearance.
4. Rolled deck? Is this in reference to the bore notches (which create crevice volume and usually kill power) or is he saying he had the deck surface machined more on the exhaust side of the deck? Like angle milling a cylinder head? I honestly don't know.
5. He doesn't like ball adjusters but states he doesn't know why. I do understand that ball/ball pushrods are plentiful and inexpensive but thats not hard to articulate. The way those Hughes rockers are setup will absolutely direct oil into the pushrod cup and do a better job at capturing the pushrod at very high angularity. Now if the lifters used are oil through pushrods then a "Chevy" style pushrod will work just fine as well. I'm sure after changing the adjusters the cost would equal out to a custom length cup style pushrod which in my mind = completely unnecessary .
6. Smacking the roller tip rocker on the Sharpied' valve tip doesn't prove correct geometry---making it travel through its range of motion does. I doubt the pattern is that narrow.
7. The port match shot is nice but I'd like to see the other 3 that are easy to see....there is always at least 1 that looks perfect...getting them all perfect is ..a waste of time IMO
8. I would have liked to know what the RPM manifold produced for vacuum as usually a DP will pick up a couple of "s. Also I would have liked to have seen the torque curve with it.
9. 418HP on the first pull and then 482HP after timing was set @ 35? How far off was the timing on it for it to be down 64hp? An engine will not pickup that much power with a timing change unless it is off Oh about 25-30 degrees. Basically you don't perform a full load pull without knowing exactly what your timing is at ! I feel if I told the world that I picked up 64 HP with a timing change the world would think I didn't know how to use a timing light and rightfully so.
10. "Really went to work" "Issues" This corroborates my experience with the lowly 383 and its unresponsiveness to power production which is a result of its horrendously slow piston speed. He states being on the dyno for 3 days and suggests that getting this engine to perform was a huge task. I'm inclined to agree and would like to know just what work was done because a 3 day bill on my dyno would look something like $2250.00 and I've only got a few customers willing to go there and exactly zero would on a 383 BBM.
11. Since when is a .030" plug gap tight? It also took 15 pulls to figure out the plug gap? Yeah, I would be looking at other areas before spending more than 2 pulls chasing a suspected sparkplug issue.
12. The 1 pull that is shown the dyno readout is blocked---WTH!?
13. I agree about the Torker, its actually a great manifold when you invest quite a few hours in it.

For a fully "tricked out" 383 with TF heads and a custom cam to barely eek out 500hp after a 3 day development thrash on the dyno is underwhelming to me. Oh and didn't Dulcich already do this with Modern Cyl Head ported Edelbrocks and a flat tappet cam over a decade ago?

This may seem harsh but its actually not, its just what I see when I watch this stuff. I actually like Mr.Salter and enjoy his content I just wish he had shared a bit more. There is a lot of missing info in this video. A lot. Interesting to be sure. J.Rob
A lot of good points, I think he said his timing light had a malfunction, why timing was so far.
 
The 500 hp is disappointing for TF 240 heads but with a 218 cam seems reasonable to me but the 500 lbs-ft is really good though. A point of cr and 6-12 degrees more cam would make more difference top probably without effecting much down low, it is what it is I guess.
 
Stay tuned for his 600hp 383 on pump gas build.
The 500 hp is disappointing for TF 240 heads but with a 218 cam seems reasonable to me but the 500 lbs-ft is really good though. A point of cr and 6-12 degrees more cam would make more difference top probably without effecting much down low, it is what it is I guess.
Pump gas is the key.
I see a bunch of 500 hp builds that aren't exactly pump gas friendly.
 
The guy he built the engine for wanted a streetable sleeper. Not sure how you hide trick flows though when you open the hood.
 
Let me begin by saying that like many of you on FABO, I really enjoy the automotive content on YT--especially the Mopar stuff--like JustMoparJoe, DeadDodge Garage, even Nicks Garage whom Salter seems to be calling attention to with this video.
1. .609" lift with a 1.7 rocker is a .358" lobe. Mr.Salter likes lift and so do I. Hydraulic roller? No sweat.
2. Cam in first. Is this even a question? It's natural, when a block comes out of the wash station for the last time, the next step is cam bearing installation, then you need to ensure the cam spins freely and that is when the camshaft goes in for the last time. Also I leave the cam plug out so you can reach in and support the end of the cam as you install it so minimal contact is made with the bearings sliding it through the cam bores.
3. For a crank to spin like that after a line hone requires 3 things. Only a motor oil or penetrating fluid-no assembly lube, no rear main seal, and probably .003"+ clearance.
4. Rolled deck? Is this in reference to the bore notches (which create crevice volume and usually kill power) or is he saying he had the deck surface machined more on the exhaust side of the deck? Like angle milling a cylinder head? I honestly don't know.
5. He doesn't like ball adjusters but states he doesn't know why. I do understand that ball/ball pushrods are plentiful and inexpensive but thats not hard to articulate. The way those Hughes rockers are setup will absolutely direct oil into the pushrod cup and do a better job at capturing the pushrod at very high angularity. Now if the lifters used are oil through pushrods then a "Chevy" style pushrod will work just fine as well. I'm sure after changing the adjusters the cost would equal out to a custom length cup style pushrod which in my mind = completely unnecessary .
6. Smacking the roller tip rocker on the Sharpied' valve tip doesn't prove correct geometry---making it travel through its range of motion does. I doubt the pattern is that narrow.
7. The port match shot is nice but I'd like to see the other 3 that are easy to see....there is always at least 1 that looks perfect...getting them all perfect is ..a waste of time IMO
8. I would have liked to know what the RPM manifold produced for vacuum as usually a DP will pick up a couple of "s. Also I would have liked to have seen the torque curve with it.
9. 418HP on the first pull and then 482HP after timing was set @ 35? How far off was the timing on it for it to be down 64hp? An engine will not pickup that much power with a timing change unless it is off Oh about 25-30 degrees. Basically you don't perform a full load pull without knowing exactly what your timing is at ! I feel if I told the world that I picked up 64 HP with a timing change the world would think I didn't know how to use a timing light and rightfully so.
10. "Really went to work" "Issues" This corroborates my experience with the lowly 383 and its unresponsiveness to power production which is a result of its horrendously slow piston speed. He states being on the dyno for 3 days and suggests that getting this engine to perform was a huge task. I'm inclined to agree and would like to know just what work was done because a 3 day bill on my dyno would look something like $2250.00 and I've only got a few customers willing to go there and exactly zero would on a 383 BBM.
11. Since when is a .030" plug gap tight? It also took 15 pulls to figure out the plug gap? Yeah, I would be looking at other areas before spending more than 2 pulls chasing a suspected sparkplug issue.
12. The 1 pull that is shown the dyno readout is blocked---WTH!?
13. I agree about the Torker, its actually a great manifold when you invest quite a few hours in it.

For a fully "tricked out" 383 with TF heads and a custom cam to barely eek out 500hp after a 3 day development thrash on the dyno is underwhelming to me. Oh and didn't Dulcich already do this with Modern Cyl Head ported Edelbrocks and a flat tappet cam over a decade ago?

This may seem harsh but its actually not, its just what I see when I watch this stuff. I actually like Mr.Salter and enjoy his content I just wish he had shared a bit more. There is a lot of missing info in this video. A lot. Interesting to be sure. J.Rob
Not harsh, just honest. And I think if YOU told people you picked up 64HP with a timing change, guys on here would be killin each other to change their timing around. lol
 
But I don't think the stock stroke 383 is incapable of making decent power. I think a lot of it may be that most people would stroke one and just not bother with it.
 
The guy he built the engine for wanted a streetable sleeper. Not sure how you hide trick flows though when you open the hood.
Exactly! You do like @PRH says.....I'd push the customer to move to a 431 or even better the excellent 451. Ive done over 600hp in a solid flat tapped build with TF240,s OOTB. Oh and I think it made 590 tq @ 470 cubes. It's documented here somewhere. J.Rob
 
Exactly! You do like @PRH says.....I'd push the customer to move to a 431 or even better the excellent 451. Ive done over 600hp in a solid flat tapped build with TF240,s OOTB. Oh and I think it made 590 tq @ 470 cubes. It's documented here somewhere. J.Rob
That's a bunch of great comments.
I have a 470 that was with a solid flat tappet and ootb 240s that made 685+ish hp and 670 tq
600 ft lbs at 3000 rpm.
Getting a bigger s/r cam and many hours of porting my tf240s & a wieand tunnel ram that I made because they simply aren't available and I can't afford a Indy tr.
not a brag, because it's tore down because I did a mathematical error on my rod bearing.
The trickflow heads make impressive power for a standard rocker head.
 
Exactly! You do like @PRH says.....I'd push the customer to move to a 431 or even better the excellent 451. Ive done over 600hp in a solid flat tapped build with TF240,s OOTB. Oh and I think it made 590 tq @ 470 cubes. It's documented here somewhere. J.Rob
I like the 451. Simply because a dumb broke redneck could put one together on the cheap and make respectable power.
 
I went back and checked out a couple more videos on Salters 383, it seems the customer might be using manifolds
 
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