Screws for rubber shift boot on '65 Barracuda 4 speed

[Bob Jasinski]

Trying to determine the proper hold down screws (6) for the 4 speed shifter boot on a '65 FS. The holes in the shifter hump seem to be for #8 screws, but the holes in the boot require a large head or a washer. Thought I'd ask instead of guessing. Thanks, Bob.

 

[Professor Fate]

I believe a bezel is still used on top of the boot, and beneath the console plate.
1963-65 A-BODY SHIFTER BOOT BEZEL ROUND - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission & Component Specialists

 

[1WildRT]

Can't say what was used on an early A but every B & E body stick car I've worked on had #10 screws... In the case of the shift boot posted there would be three pan head screws with captive washers below the chrome trim ring

and three oval head countersunk screws retaining the trim ring..

 

[abdywgn]

any drawing/description of them in the FSM?

 

[Bob Jasinski]

I believe a bezel is still used on top of the boot, and beneath the console plate.
1963-65 A-BODY SHIFTER BOOT BEZEL ROUND - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission & Component Specialists

The bezel you show in the link is not used on the '65 Barracuda 4 spd. The parts book shows two bezels, the one you show in the link, the other is the 1-2-3-4 shift plate used on '65 Barracuda 4sp cars. I'm nor sure which cars got the round bezel, but it is not used in conjunction with the 1-2-3-4- plate, which goes over the rubber boot. The boot has a steel ring molded into it that serves to seal to floor once all the screws are in.

 

[Bob Jasinski]

Can't say what was used on an early A but every B & E body stick car I've worked on had #10 screws... In the case of the shift boot posted there would be three pan head screws with captive washers below the chrome trim ring

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and three oval head countersunk screws retaining the trim ring..

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Thanks 1Wild RT, The top screw with the captive washer looks correct. Now I just need to find those screws, maybe eBay.

 

[Dne007]

Hi, I was confused too about whether or not a bezel went over the expensive rubber shifter boot. Which I did not, just some correct screws with larger washers. Then two appropriate looking screws to go into the metal. Just be cautious when drilling through the carpet~ I wound up unraveling about 3/4" of the carpet~ grrr, but it's not noticeable. Love the shifter plate! ;)
dne'

 

[Professor Fate]

Hi, I was confused too about whether or not a bezel went over the expensive rubber shifter boot. Which I did not, just some correct screws with larger washers. Then two appropriate looking screws to go into the metal. Just be cautious when drilling through the carpet~ I wound up unraveling about 3/4" of the carpet~ grrr, but it's not noticeable. Love the shifter plate! ;)
dne'

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Yeah, don't use a drill through carpeting- that can have disaster potential to it! Use a soldering iron to poke the holes through- nice, clean holes and it seals the edges all in one step!

 

[Dne007]

A soldering iron! I'll be darned~ All these years putting up with drilling through carpet and soldering gun in the trick

Yeah, don't use a drill through carpeting- that can have disaster potential to it! Use a soldering iron to poke the holes through- nice, clean holes and it seals the edges all in one step!

 

[Firstblood]

I cant tell you what is factory correct, but when I replaced my carpet with new mass backed carpet I cut the shifter opening out and put long push pins in though the carpet to locate the holes for the boot.
Then used a pencil tip solder iron to burn/melt the screw holes.
I installed the boot over the carpet and fastened with #8x3/4" screws with a small stainless fender washer.
I also have the 4 speed plate

 

[Bob Jasinski]

Hi, I was confused too about whether or not a bezel went over the expensive rubber shifter boot. Which I did not, just some correct screws with larger washers. Then two appropriate looking screws to go into the metal. Just be cautious when drilling through the carpet~ I wound up unraveling about 3/4" of the carpet~ grrr, but it's not noticeable. Love the shifter plate! ;)
dne'

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Thanks Dne007, like the picture. You've done great work on your project, I'll bet it's fun to drive! I'll be using a soldering iron to melt through the carpet like Professor Fate suggests for the bezel screws.

 

[Dne007]

It's a hoot to drive, I also can just sit in a chair and look at it and be happy too

Thanks Dne007, like the picture. You've done great work on your project, I'll bet it's fun to drive! I'll be using a soldering iron to melt through the carpet like Professor Fate suggests for the bezel screws.

 

[Firstblood]

Sorry man, I got your thread confused with another asking if boot was installed over or under carpet, and the screws.
My 6 screws look to be factory #8x3/4" with captive washer.
I have remnants of an original boot with smaller holes than the repop boot.
That's why I added small ss fender washers.

 

[Bob Jasinski]

Sorry man, I got your thread confused with another asking if boot was installed over or under carpet, and the screws.
My 6 screws look to be factory #8x3/4" with captive washer.
I have remnants of an original boot with smaller holes than the repop boot.
That's why I added small ss fender washers.

Firstblood, You didn't get confused, thats my fault, I edited the post to remove the question because no one had responded and I started thinking the boot went under the carpet because the boot would be exposed if the carpet went under it. Well...now that I have screws that fit the application, I'm starting to realize that if the boot goes over the carpet, the carpet trimming would be easier, and it looks as though the rubber would only be exposed only around the edge of the bezel. Since I don't have the carpet installed yet, I'm just going to wait and see how it goes. The screws I found are from Home Depot, they are #10 x 3/4 black with built in washer and fit well. The lower picture shows the bezel over the rubber, which I believe is what you did, I appreciate your input.

 

[Firstblood]

Excellent, screws look good.
Glad you got it figured out.

 

[DC 340]

Bob, great work as always. Can I ask where you sourced this boot? I have for so long used this Hurst rubber boot kit (don't know anything about this company), pitched the metal plate, and trimmed the base rubber flange to fit under the bezel. I don't believe I ever screwed it to the tunnel. It looks good until it splits.


Boot, Hurst, Round Stick Shifters

 

[Bob Jasinski]

DC340,

The boot pictured is from Layson's

 

[DC 340]

DC340,

The boot pictured is from Layson's

Thanks