small town cop

[barbee6043]

cops have a hard job no doubt, but here is a sad outcome. small town just on edge of springfield, mo. back in Feb. a man had a seizure, and drove his car into a garage adjacent to a home there in town. the cop was there just minutes after it happened. the guy comes to and starts to back out his car, the cop waving his gun and demanding the man to stop and get out. the car bumps the cop standing there, and cop shoots the poo sick guy dead. the cop was just found "justified" in the killing. small town and small town cop, everything goes wrong.

a s ad outcome.that should have turned out much different.

 

[seabee]

Put yourself in the cop's shoes. How would he know this is a seizure and not a severely drunk or high driver who just ran into a building and is now about to get back on the road and run into something or someone else?

Tough to call if you are not there in person.

Here is a transcript of events: Prosecutor: Fatal shooting by Republic officer was justified self-defense

 

[barbee6043]

Put yourself in the cop's shoes. How would he know this is a seizure and not a severely drunk or high driver who just ran into a building and is now about to get back on the road and run into something or someone else?

Tough to call if you are not there in person.

Here is a transcript of events: Prosecutor: Fatal shooting by Republic officer was justified self-defense

I also know if you, maybe? ( or I) are standing couple feet from that car, you can shoot out the tires? trust me, I have been hit HEAD ON by a drunk.... have no sympathy for drunk drivers.... I also work with a guy t hat is 68, he goes to work every day because he is not lazy, he wants to work, but is bad diabetic. I would hate to see someone shoot him in such a situation. it could have been him. I agree with the notion, tough call maybe? and bad situation, but maybe just maybe cops might need to slow down and think?? there wasn't anyone shooting at him.

 

[mycuda]

Shoudnt be driving. Period.

 

[DECIPHER]

wrong idea of shoot first ask questions later....

 

[seabee]

If

I also know if you, maybe? ( or I) are standing couple feet from that car, you can shoot out the tires? trust me, I have been hit HEAD ON by a drunk.... have no sympathy for drunk drivers.... I also work with a guy t hat is 68, he goes to work every day because he is not lazy, he wants to work, but is bad diabetic. I would hate to see someone shoot him in such a situation. it could have been him. I agree with the notion, tough call maybe? and bad situation, but maybe just maybe cops might need to slow down and think?? there wasn't anyone shooting at him.

I respectfully disagree. Shooting the tires does not disable a vehicle. The driver's actions, voluntary or not, were easily percieved as life threatening to the cop and others.

Why is an epilectic driving in the first place?

 

[barbee6043]

Shoudnt be driving. Period.

reminds me of the time I was going thru some small town in Iowa, pulling a big gooseneck horse trailer. I kept hearing a friggin siren, asked the wife what the heck, I did not see the dumbass cop in my mirrors, cause he was right on MY a**! I make a turn then see him and I pull over. he is all pissed because I hadn't pulled over earlier. I explain why. he begins to chew me out and tell me I should not be driving.

why he pulls me over.?? I only have a tag on the front of my truck. I explain Mo. requires a front tag only with truck over 16,000 GVW. he tells me i'm in Iowa. SOoooooooooo!? ha dumba**, sorry. he lets me go. but before........

I call him some unflattering things, and proceed to tell him when he makes my living for me, then I will quite driving. ha! sorry, some people do not need a position as police officer....IMO

I agree some medical problems should keep those people from driving no doubt, yes, some people can be just too old to be safe drivers. but some people have heart attacks, can happen to people that are not OLD. there are people that can have a diabetic problem, maybe they have to work, maybe they do not hire a crooked lawyer and doc to get them on SSD? I have the utmost respect for the police in general and the job they do... in general, but, this incident happened in a small town. if the cop had shot out the tires, he would not have gone far.. no where to go!

 

[inkjunkie]

We drive thru a small town, Reardon, on the way to Spokane. The "Marshall" is notorious for writing speeding tickets. 31 in a 30....anyways not to long ago he shot and believe he killed someone in the local cemetery....at noon...haven't heard anything about it in a while..

 

[seabee]

Cars can drive with flat tires. In fact, they are more dangerous than without flat tires. I don't understand the small town cop connection to this story. As someone who has lived both rural and in large cities I wouldn't see there being a difference in the outcome of this particular story.

People get shot in the city for things a lot less dangerous than a guy that drives into garages causing fires and refusing to cooperate and attempting to flee.

 

[barbee6043]

Cars can drive with flat tires. In fact, they are more dangerous than without flat tires. I don't understand the small town cop connection to this story. As someone who has lived both rural and in large cities I wouldn't see there being a difference in the outcome of this particular story.

People get shot in the city for things a lot less dangerous than a guy that drives into garages causing fires and refusing to cooperate and attempting to flee.

YOU are right, the guy deserved to be shot!!!

 

[abodyjoe]

cops are starting to get get way too out of control. way too many of them are drunk on power they think they are entitled to. the good old GOD complex. they are not held accountable enough. they are not watched close enough, too many are way way too trigger happy these days. they obviously need a lot more training on how to assess and react to situations.. its a shame because those douchebags that are out their shooting unarmed people and abusing their power give the good officers a bad name. its that whole one bad apple ruined it for all thing going on..

 

[ssba]

Between law enforcement and criminals both lying to cover their actions and over sensationalism of the press we likely never hear the entire truth.
Sadly only if it happens to get videotaped and made public for us to veiw do I have much faith in the accuracy of the events told us.

 

[barbee6043]

small towns tend to have way less serious crime than the larger cities. murders are very seldom. shootings are pretty scarce. I live in the county. nearest town is 15 mi away with population of few thousand souls. citizens of this county and that city expect the "small town cops" to protect its citizens. that is their job. protect the innocent and arrest the bad guys. the cops are expected to take time to think out a situation where NO ONE is shooting at them?

like just said, the cop car cameras are showing some, hopefully, isolated incidents where their actions are excessive and should be illegal. cops must be accountable for their actions. just like everyone else no doubt.?

 

[318willrun]

like every position, some bad and some good. Off topic, but some try awful hard to provoke. Also, too many get "offended" when you exercise your rights (which they swore to uphold).

 

[ssba]

Agreed its in every profession.
A few good mechanic's out their working alongside many more that no amount of training can improve their skills.
Hard to fix stupid.
Very unfortunate when life or death lays in this balance.
I does seem they are trained to provoke more these days than it used to be when I was young. Perhaps not to provoke but I have witnessed them to be what could be taken as to be set on kill when they step out of their car to ask for a license and registration. Can be downright spooky when you get one that is obviously nervous/ scared and shielding himself alongside your car with his hand on his gun when your pulled over for a seatbelt infraction.
Very unnerving to encounter one of these youngsters
that you can tell can't think for himself enough determine a guy nearing retirement age without
a record isn't going to blow his head off over a seatbelt. You can't trust how someone like that is going to react. Some are just not meant to be in that line of work.
I just figure they are not particularly choosy when it comes to hireing some of these kids.

 

[318willrun]

We need law enforcement, and it's a tough job. However, if you dare quote the law to most cops, they are instantly offended "it's their job, puff puff.... ". Shouldn't be that way. Cops can taze youth, handcuff them, and throw them in the back of a car for not "taking orders". It's called law. If parents tazed their youth, tied their hands, and threw them in a car for not taking orders, it's called abuse.

 

[seabee]

YOU are right, the guy deserved to be shot!!!

Did you even read the transcription of events in this case based on the officer's and witness testimony? Where did you get "bumps the cop standing there" or "waving his gun around"? YOU are making this stuff up based on emotional rhetoric and limited information and presenting it as fact.

I don't get to determine who deserves to die but I can see right through your emotional smear campaign. "Shot over a bag of Skittles" ring a bell? Or "Hands up don't shoot"? What you are doing here is no different.

 

[318willrun]

Not sure all the transcripts are written without agenda. I don't trust the media much.... hard to say what really went on unless I was there.

 

[ssba]

^^^^ agreed
He was probably deleriously trying to get out of a smoke filled burning building and unaware of the
cop and his gun.

 

[seabee]

I don't trust the media much.... hard to say what really went on unless I was there.

Agreed. But, wrongful shootings are big business for media so if there is any slanting, it will most likely be going in that direction to create more clicks, shares, and views.

The timeline and analysis (Here) was written by the District Attorney who's job is to prosecute the cop. So I would give that much more weight in determining the facts presented versus media seeking profits.

 

[318willrun]

I didn't look to much into this case, as I was just speaking in general. I know several cops. It's a job I wouldn't want. Still, corruption is in everything. Nobody lives above the law. Cop abuse is all over, and caught on film. This does not take away the great job many in uniform do everyday.

 

[crackedback]

Sorry, DA's and Police are on the same side of the fence. DA's really want nothing to do with prosecuting the people that keep them in business. Police are the DA's business partners.

Unless it's something really aggreigous or a DA looking to make a name. Most want nothing to do with any of the police prosecutions.

 

[seabee]

Sorry, DA's and Police are on the same side of the fence. DA's really want nothing to do with prosecuting the people that keep them in business. Police are the DA's business partners.

Unless it's something really aggreigous or a DA looking to make a name. Most want nothing to do with any of the police prosecutions.

The DA is also a politically motivated position with years of education and numerous years in practice (not to mention an Oath). Would this DA put all of that on the line to protect a cop who is already being presented in the media as a gun-happy murderer? And for a case that will almost definitely go to a civil trial or have a chance of moving up to Federal? That is a HUGE risk to take on to protect one rural cop. Especially in today's World of media mob rule.

Regardless,
This thread was about how bad rural cops are, and I agree to an extent based on a case by case basis, but the case presented in the OP is, IMNSHO, a poor choice. If this guy would have backed over a fireman or neighbor this same Cop would be being bastardized as being indecisive or lazy. I guess you just can't win.

 

[barbee6043]

cops have a hard job no doubt, but here is a sad outcome. small town just on edge of springfield, mo. back in Feb. a man had a seizure, and drove his car into a garage adjacent to a home there in town. the cop was there just minutes after it happened. the guy comes to and starts to back out his car, the cop waving his gun and demanding the man to stop and get out. the car bumps the cop standing there, and cop shoots the poo sick guy dead. the cop was just found "justified" in the killing. small town and small town cop, everything goes wrong.

a s ad outcome.that should have turned out much different.

I guess I should have described this as a terrible incident in a small town where perhaps, the cop could have restrained his fatal response just a little. the outcome might have been different. personally, do I believe " everything" that is said on the tv news, or by the police or a DA's office., in every occasion? NO I don't. lrgally, IF a police officer FEARS for his life, deadly force is legal. think about it.

 

[dgibby]

This was my good friend, Doug Barney R.I.P.
Pretty much the same situation expect the opposite outcome.
Police identify officer fatally shot in head while responding to traffic accident in Utah

I'm tired of people thinking cops are a bunch of rouge killers just waiting to get there chance to shoot someone. People are nuts, disrespectful and dangerous. I know there are corrupt cops, but this idea that there just out to kill is ridiculous. Hard to understand why anyone would want to be a cop these days.