Heck 30 dergess is a warm up here in Michigan but yeah atleast we stay above 0. What really stinks is if we so happen to get a few sunny days and 30-35 degrees you still don't want to go for a drive cause there is salt all over the roads and flying around as the other cars kick it up. So untill its warm enough for rain-lots of rain- to wash the salt away, then IF it does not snow again, the roads are clean in a few days. That does not happen till mid March and I am one of the first back on the roads, most wait till sometime in April.