Quick question about BFG Radial T/A's

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Hi, I just joined today!

I've got a '75 Plymouth Duster and currently it's in P195/70R14 tires off an old Subaru(previous owner needed to replace originals so he could tow it to his property)

I'm looking to get BFG Radial T/A P205/70R14 will they fit on the stock wheel/rim??

I need a new pair in the back, before it starts raining, also if you guys could give me your opinions of the tire that'd be great too.
 
You should be fine. I'm running 225-70-14 on the front of the Demon. BF ain't the best out there but they are only a few makers that still sell the 14".
 
demon seed said:
You should be fine. I'm running 225-70-14 on the front of the Demon. BF ain't the best out there but they are only a few makers that still sell the 14".
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They're not?(I'm pretty much a noob as far as cars go right now, I'm teaching myself, as I never had anyone who shared my intrest in cars growing up)

Who are some of the other's that still sell the 14"s?? Are any of them better?

I've heard the sidewall on the BF is kinda weak, is that true?
 
Duster Fan said:
They're not?(I'm pretty much a noob as far as cars go right now, I'm teaching myself, as I never had anyone who shared my intrest in cars growing up)

Who are some of the other's that still sell the 14"s?? Are any of them better?

I've heard the sidewall on the BF is kinda weak, is that true?
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Structureally there's nothing wrong with BF T/A's they've just got soft rubber (good traction) and therefore they wear out quick if you're hot dogging it. I haven't chased down 14" tires in a few years so you're going to have to go to a tire store and see whos got what.
 
demon seed said:
Structureally there's nothing wrong with BF T/A's they've just got soft rubber (good traction) and therefore they wear out quick if you're hot dogging it. I haven't chased down 14" tires in a few years so you're going to have to go to a tire store and see whos got what.
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I've already found a set a http://store.cokertire.com/p205-70r14-bf-goodrich-t-a-rwl.html

So, I'll probably get a pair from them. I don't hot dog it at all really(I've got a 225 Slant 6 automatic.....) I just like the meaty look of the tires, so I want them haha.

The only reason I ask all this is because I took my car into Lesschwab(spelling???) and they told me that 205/7014 won't fit on my car, and I'd need to get a whole new wheel size(obviously a lie I'm guessing?)
 
I found a set a cokertire.com for under $300, so I'll most likely get them from them.

The main reason I wanted to know if they'd fit is because I took my car to Lesschwab(spelling??) and they told me 205 70r14 wouldn't fit on my car, and that I'd have to get a whole new wheel size. Since we're talking about wheels now, I wouldn't mind getting a set of Mopar Rally Wheels where's the best place to look for those? and do they come in the 14" size?

What I want to do is this, get the bigger meatier tires in the back(BF's) and get the rally wheels back there too. But since I'm going to have to take the wheel off should I replace the brakes in the rear end since I'm already back there? I've got NO clue when they were changed last, and I've got Drum Brakes in the rear, disc in the front.
 
Just saw the Cragar SS Wheels.......I'm thinking I like those better, do they come in 14"? by any chance?
 
Ralley's come for sale on Ebay quite a bit and once in a while on here!! If you're looking for new wheels anyway why don't you go to 15 inch then you have a better choice of tire? Just a thought.
 
MoparLvr said:
Ralley's come for sale on Ebay quite a bit and once in a while on here!! If you're looking for new wheels anyway why don't you go to 15 inch then you have a better choice of tire? Just a thought.
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Hmm, good idea actually. I never thought of that. I'll take a look...
 
if your Duster is a slant 6 with drum brakes on the front you probably have the small bolt pattern wheels (5x4") which means your selection of 15" wheels is limited to aftermarket and only a few choices at that.A few places make new ones and used ones show up now and again on here but not often.Here's a place that has the new ones:

http://www.specialtywheel.com/wheel-showcase/mopar.html


If you have the front disc brakes on your Duster then you have the standard 5x4.5" Mopar/Ford/AMC pattern and the sky's the limit in terms of wheel options.
 
67GTConvert said:
if your Duster is a slant 6 with drum brakes on the front you probably have the small bolt pattern wheels (5x4") which means your selection of 15" wheels is limited to aftermarket and only a few choices at that.A few places make new ones and used ones show up now and again on here but not often.Here's a place that has the new ones:

http://www.specialtywheel.com/wheel-showcase/mopar.html


If you have the front disc brakes on your Duster then you have the standard 5x4.5" Mopar/Ford/AMC pattern and the sky's the limit in terms of wheel options.
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Thank you for the info:cheers: I do in fact have Front Disc Brakes, so that's good for me!! I think I'll stick with the 14" wheels for now, but I've got rear drum brakes.

So, I'm looking to replace the rear end wheels and tires first, so in terms of wheels what do I need to know about the following?

1.Size(I'm guessing 14" right?)
2.Diameter
3.Width
4.Bolt Pattern
 
I've got Disc Brakes in the front, and Drum in the back. I'm going to stick with 14" wheels for now.

What do I need to know for the following to get the right wheel?
1.Diameter
2.Bolt Pattern
3.Width
4.Size?

If it helps, I'm getting 215/70R14 in the back(which is where the new wheels will be)
 
The 235/60r14 BFG TA should fit under there, they are 9 inches wide and about 24 or 25 inches tall if I remember correctly. I have heard good stories about them in terms of being a very good tire for the money. I have yet to choose the width of what I think will work on the front of my car.
 
I'm not looking to go that big right now. Right now it has 195/70R14 all the way around with stock wheels. I want to leave the front alone and focus on the back end right now.

Which is why I wanna get 215/70R14 size tires in the back. Or, do you guys think I should stick with 205/70R14 all the way around so I can swap 'em when needed?
 
Duster Fan said:
I'm looking to get BFG Radial T/A P205/70R14 will they fit on the stock wheel/rim??
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If you have the 14" × 5½" plain steel wheels or the rallye wheels, yes.

If you have the 14" × 4½" plain steel wheel, which was standard equipment with the slant-6 and 318 engines, then no, that wheel's too narrow. The 205 tire will mount, but you'll have rapid tire wear, poor traction due to the narrow contact patch, and sloppy (sloppier!) handling due to lateral roll of the tires on the too-narrow rims. 195/70R14 is pushing it on the narrow rim, and 185/70R14 is a perfect fit.

give me your opinions of the tire
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It's a very good one for these cars. I've had multiple sets of them on multiple A-bodies, and I've been happy every time. They look good, too, with the raised white letters.
 
caferacerx said:
205/70-14 is closer to the original size bias ply tires
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Nope. Standard equipment on the '70 Duster except 340 was D70-14, which equates to a 190/70R14 (not generally produced; it's between a 185/70R14 and a 195/70R14). Standard equipment on the Duster 340 was E70-14, which equates to a 195/70R14.
 
Well, Slantsixdan you've got me kinda worried about the tire stuff now haha. I talked to the previous owner of the car(also my personal mechanic, and Mopar fanatic(he's owned 8 Dusters, 3 Chargers, and 4 Cuda's) and he told me the 205/70R14 will fit on the wheels that are on there now with no problems, or modifications as he had them on the stock Slant 6's he had. I've already bought 2 tires this afternoon for $167. How can I tell if the wheels are 5 1/2"??
 
Duster Fan said:
he told me the 205/70R14 will fit on the wheels
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They will fit (i.e., you can mount them) on the 4½"-wide wheels. Doing so, however, is a poor idea. "Ten pounds of poop in a five-pound bag". It's really not a good match, and even Goodyear's own literature on that tire says the appropriate rim width is 5½" to 7".

How can I tell if the wheels are 5 1/2"??
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It's easy to tell the narrow from the wide wheel if you have them next to each other, or if you've seen enough of them to be able to spot the difference from the outside. If not, dismount the tire and you'll find the rim width stamped on the wheel barrel: "4.5JJ" or "5.5JJ" (letters may vary).
 
Well, like I said he told me they'll fit. I'm 100% sure if there was going to be ANY problems with the tires fitting uncorrectly or whatever he'd tell me(we've been restoring the car since July) and he had owned if for a few years prior to selling it to me.

With the 195/70R14 on there now, the tread wear is even on the inside, and outside of the tire(s) front and rear. I'm 100% confident there'll be no problems whatsoever.
 
Hokay, chief. If you're absolutely 100% sure, why'd you bother asking the question in the first place? You will have to decide whether your desire to believe something incorrect (or incorrectly understood) is strong enough to overcome the pesky laws of physics that apply to all cars in this universe…even yours! :-D
 
Dismount a tire and check the rim size. If you need to measure them, measure from inside the bead to the other inside bead. Not the outside to outside.
 
sorry to tell you dan but your info is off
E70-14 = 25.7"
d70-14 =25.4"
205/70-14 = 25.5"
there is no such size as 190/70-14
195/70-14 = 24.8"
185/70-14 =24.3"
on a narrow rim the correct size would be achieved by increasing the aspect ratio to 75
185/75-14 =25"
195/75-14 =25.5"

a 205/70-14 will fit on the narrow rim with no excessive sidewall deflection, but is the widest tire to do so and would be a better fit on the wider rally type rim, the 195/75-14 would be a better choice on the narrow rim
215/70-14 is the widest tire that fits the wider rally rim without undue sidewall deflection
 
caferacerx said:
sorry to tell you dan but your info is off
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Eyes forward, dude; we're talking about width here. The diameter info you post is pretty well accurate, but not relevant to the question of which tire sizes are appropriate for which wheel width. As for your claim that the 205/70R14 is fine on a 4½" rim, well, I spot-checked some current tire size guides published by the tire makers (easy to find on the tire makers' sites or on tirerack.com ) and none of them seem to approve a 205/70R14 on a 4½" wide rim. But it's entirely possible they're talkin' out of their butts, and some schmoe who sold some kid a '75 Duster knows more/better than the people who make the tires, so the kid'll have to make up his own mind.
 
205/70-14 is appropriate for a 5" rim, while not optimum on a 4 1/2" rim, 1/4" per side, side wall deflection is not going to make any noticeable difference in ware or handling or ride quality at all
 
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