Here's a thought... Add a small block inside the spring to limit its total travel to half.
Everybody is happy
Don't know about your friend, but Transgo used to recommend blocking it for hard street use or racing.
So a person that wasn't around them long enough to know or remember that has a hard time convincing me that his buddy might be right. Sorry
There is a lot of leeway in "street" because I know people that run 500 or more horses on the street and burn tires for 2 blocks.
I would say for a general all around street cruiser, you could leave it in and it would'nt make much difference.
The statement was that it made no difference, and that is simply not true.
A lot of people also have no idea that it promotes increased clutch material wear from letting things slip as it releases the pressure on the clutches and band.
No spring releases faster as well as applying faster.
Actually my original statement was to put it back in for his use.
Transgo, now say to use it, I guess after continued development they found it was of no great importance.
I think overlapping shift timing is going to cause more wear in the trans than the use of the accumulator spring ever would. If you use a shift kit designed for a spring and then don't use it then maybe your also creating extra wear. I think in the big scheme of things it plays a very minor part.
I guess people can make up their own minds.
Well from what I can tell, removing it makes no measurable difference, so why would you then? Why not leave it there to do it's job and why risk damage to the belleville spring.
http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?p=1562069
Check out the top right hand of instruction page 14, Transgo tell you to put it back in. That's good enough for me.
Well, if you know John so well then why not ask him, maybe he can enlighten us. I've got no idea why MP would do that. Maybe they just thought it was a good idea at the time
Would you say that clutch pack clearances on set up may also have an effect on how it shifts? How about parts used like reds vs stock fibers or a 24 Spring return module or kevlar bands etc? The reason I ask is on the one I just rebuilt I used a 24 spring module, reds and I used 5 clutches in the front drum. I set the clearances on the front drum at ,071 and the rear came in at .035 and Kevlar bands. Stall is 38-4200 with a transact RMVB & low band apply. The 2-3 shift is incredible with this set up, 3rd too hit hard enough that yesterday on full acceleration it got a a pretty long roast, I was in shock. Of course this is on the street where traction is limited.
Yeah just like the wide hemi band.. they thought that would work too, but it was a fail. Did the MP rod come with a full reprogramming kit?If you have no idea why MP would do that it sounds like you haven't done all your homework. They did it because they tried it and found it works.
I actually did talk to John about it when I was looking at a clutchflite. I took his advice and have not had a problem.
I just put them back in and they seem to shift plenty hard enough for my liking. I guess if your selling transmissions then it's another thing to add to the list and make the customer feel better.
Yeah just like the wide hemi band.. they thought that would work too, but it was a fail. Did the MP rod come with a full reprogramming kit?
Yes, I do read what you say, but I have also seen you recommend it in other threads with stock converters too.Apparently you didn't read where I said I don't block the accumulator all transmissions I do. Only the ones with high stall converters. Maybe instead of just trying to start a personal bashfest you should take time to read my posts in their entirety. ](*,)
You guys got me so excited with this discussion, I had to go work on my spare 904.....
Almost forgot to put the blocker rod under the accumulator....Could not finish the trans...Grandson has my air nozzle somewhere...could not air check clutch pac...LOL...
Yes, I do read what you say, but I have also seen you recommend it in other threads with stock converters too.
Anyway I think we have done this to death..Thanks for the input.