What wouldn't be an insulting offer?

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I found 2 BB with 727s for sale today. Listed for $750 and $700 OBO.

Obviously, if it's OBO, he has room to haggle.

The first one (the one I would prefer) is a '66 440/727 with 67k Orgi. miles
- $750
- Missing Valve Body
- Missing Trans Pan
- Complete with accessories, can hear run

How much would it cost to replace the valve body and trans pan? Priced them at JEGs for about $200-ish for the two

The second one (better deal?) is a '75 440/727 with 35k orig.
- $700
- One owner
- Complete top to bottom
- Can hear run/ move


So here is where I am at, I want the '67 because aren't they higher compression? (10:1)? but is the extra miles / missing pieces worth it? The second one, I would just replace seals and check the valves, don't think I'd have to rebuild from the ground up.

I asked the guy if he would be interested in trades + cash on top, but if not, what would not be an insulting offer to shoot him? I've seen 440/727s go for well over $1000 still in RVs and such. These are pulled and from the ad, sound pretty good. Would have to check.

For trade I have a BMW shell and my slant 6, but could always run them to scrap to get him actual cash if he wanted that.
 
You need to find out what heads are on the 66/67. Before aftermarket heads came along, the 66/7 heads were "the deal." 915 is the casting no.
 
67Dart273 said:
You need to find out what heads are on the 66/67. Before aftermarket heads came along, the 66/7 heads were "the deal." 915 is the casting no.
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Those are suspicious quotes around "the deal"

are you saying they're the best or the worst?

When he gets back to me I'll ask. Does that change which option I should go for, or the price?
 
Given the two I'd prefer the '66 - better heads and forged crank, brackets and pulleys more like what you need if it's non-AC... but if the pan is off and the valve body gone - you need to consider the transmission as a core. It doesn't take much to block off a passage. Like a dead spider or grit. I'd go $500 on the '66. If the later one is complete 100%, it's worth his price all day long. So tread lightly.
 
moper said:
If the later one is complete 100%, it's worth his price all day long. So tread lightly.
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Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. He sounds like he has a stock pile just lying around, don't want to come in super low and insult him. I realize the $750 is a fantastic deal, but he's asking for OBO, so either he doesn't know which is unlikely, or he's just trying to empty it out and make a couple grand along the way.
 
NEVER assume the owner has no idea what they are worth! Or best offer means exactly that. It does not mean- ill take whatever you offer. He is saying- this is a ballpark figure of what I will take.
 
d5667 said:
NEVER assume the owner has no idea what they are worth! Or best offer means exactly that. It does not mean- ill take whatever you offer. He is saying- this is a ballpark figure of what I will take.
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I know, I said it's probably unlikely to since he has quite a few.

I like to think I'm a little above the CL Bottom feeders, you know, the guys who slide in with an offer of "I'll take it off your hands for $100" and make it seem like they're going out of their way for it. I definitely don't want to come in super low, but I also want to get a deal (even though it's a deal as is.)
 
I'd offer $1000 for everything!! Both are candidates for a rebuild, even if, and because they are, original mileage!!
 
cosgig said:
I'd offer $1000 for everything!! Both are candidates for a rebuild, even if, and because they are, original mileage!!
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If I had the space, this would be viable, but I don't. My buddy wants a 408 in his valiant, maybe I can get him to pull in on this instead. lol
 
Assuming the engines are all good, what power loss am I looking by going with the newer lower compression vs the '67 high compression?
 
I'd go with the lower mileage engine, and offer $500. If he bites, great. If not, he'll come own some. You can always get some 915 heads later if you want.
 
Ottmundr said:
I'd go with the lower mileage engine, and offer $500. If he bites, great. If not, he'll come own some. You can always get some 915 heads later if you want.
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I think lower mileage would be best as well, simply because it's not a ton of wear and tear, if I can get it for a good price, should be good too.

This was pretty much the answer I was looking for. If he wants a trade I have BMW shell + $100, or $500 cash. Thanks for the help.

What's the difference between the 915s?
 
Expire said:
I think lower mileage would be best as well, simply because it's not a ton of wear and tear, if I can get it for a good price, should be good too.

This was pretty much the answer I was looking for. If he wants a trade I have BMW shell + $100, or $500 cash. Thanks for the help.

What's the difference between the 915s?
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The answer you assume he will give is- ill take your offer.
 
d5667 said:
The answer you assume he will give is- ill take your offer.
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Well yeah, we all want our offers taken.

I was just wondering what you all thought, so I could see if I was going to be horribly lowballing him or not.
 
If the newer engine/trans is from an rv, the trans isn't worth anything. So, you would just be buying the engine. Something to consider when making an offer. The later engine should have a cast crank. Don't worry about strength. I've had one in my Sport Fury for 15 years, and it runs low 12s. The balancer is different from the earlier engine, can't just go out and buy an sfi balancer for it.
 
just make him an offer, the worse he can say is no.
 
furyus2 said:
If the newer engine/trans is from an rv, the trans isn't worth anything. So, you would just be buying the engine. Something to consider when making an offer. The later engine should have a cast crank. Don't worry about strength. I've had one in my Sport Fury for 15 years, and it runs low 12s. The balancer is different from the earlier engine, can't just go out and buy an sfi balancer for it.
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Are you saying I should be replacing the balancer?
 
All of that is way overpriced. I don't think you can make a reasonable offer without insulting him.
 
RustyRatRod said:
All of that is way overpriced. I don't think you can make a reasonable offer without insulting him.
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RustyRatRod said:
No, they are just over priced. You are buying cores. 750 dollars is not a core price.
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Exactly what I was thinking.

I wouldn't buy anything for more than core price without at the very least pulling the heads.
WAY to much dishonesty out there let alone plain ignorance.

It sounds a little unreasonable at first, but anyone who is selling an older motor should realize that having at least the heads off is a good thing if they really want a good price for it.
Having the heads off don't make it worth less in my eyes.
If they won't go for that then at the very least a comp test before any money goes anywhere.

Don't we remember the recent post on the 400 with the block split open inside? :D
Wanna pay 750, or 6, or even 50 for that?
 
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