earthmover
in the tire smoke
Anybody here build or run 1...let's here the set up ..
588 big block mopar
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You must be talking aftermarket block? 4.5 stroke x 4.55 bore or larger?
earthmover
in the tire smoke
588 ain't that big. Now this is BIG!
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famous bob
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not sure it`s the same one, probly not. but I saw one at Tulsa, quite a few yrs. back, w/ an all alum. hemi set up it it. brought the wheels up on a hard launch, kept going higher and higher, till he let it down easy, then got back in it , same thing. he let it down a second and a third time , all while going straight and accelerating pretty fast. ended up tripping the 1/4 mile clocks with (on) his rear wheels. didn`t make the show, due to not qualifying fast enough. always wondered what it would do if it would stay on the ground.
440dartsport
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I just built a pump gas 572 for the street/strip. Indy aluminum block.
Mopar billet 4.5" Crank
Manley Pro Series I Beam Rods
Custom Diamond pistons
11.02 compression
Comp Solid Roller cam 55mm core, .824" lift 289 duration at .o50"
Indy 572-13 heads, CNC'd by Modern Cylinder
Jessel 1.7 rockers
Indy 440-3x Intake
Bolaws 1,300cfm Dominator carb (based off a 1,050)
943hp at 7,300 and 777tq at 5,300 on 93 pump gas
Mopar billet 4.5" Crank
Manley Pro Series I Beam Rods
Custom Diamond pistons
11.02 compression
Comp Solid Roller cam 55mm core, .824" lift 289 duration at .o50"
Indy 572-13 heads, CNC'd by Modern Cylinder
Jessel 1.7 rockers
Indy 440-3x Intake
Bolaws 1,300cfm Dominator carb (based off a 1,050)
943hp at 7,300 and 777tq at 5,300 on 93 pump gas
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4.5 bore 4.625 stroke
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Doosterfy
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I'm not trying to be rude or condescending, but asking "why bother building something that big, what are you trying to accomplish" is like to asking why bother modifying your car. We could go all through this forum and ask questions like "why bother installing a bigger cam?" or "why bother building a stroker?" or "why bother installing cnc ported aluminum heads?" Why bother asking someone why they're doing something to increase power in their car?, is that not what most of us here are trying to do???
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To me the answer is more HP in a streetable package. Build a 600hp 340 and then a 600hp 440. Let me know which costs less and which is more street friendly.
If you are pushing the limits, especially N/A, more HP is easier with more cubic inches. Look at the size engine you see on street outlaws or in the unlimited class at drag week. You also need to take into consideration the strength of an aftermarket block vs. a stock block at higher levels of HP.
If you are pushing the limits, especially N/A, more HP is easier with more cubic inches. Look at the size engine you see on street outlaws or in the unlimited class at drag week. You also need to take into consideration the strength of an aftermarket block vs. a stock block at higher levels of HP.
earthmover
in the tire smoke
Well talking to my son and we got a new year coming up so thinking about new things..would love to put the car in the 5.0 range if possible and fog it with a kit or 2...when plan to get the 451 -1 head motor going so he can get some seat time learn this alky injection and go from there..this should be a great little motor but it's not going to keep up around here..lol not trying to be the fastest but wanna be able to play..if all goes well we will see ..been talking with a few builders and getting info on what's needed and how to go about it..he wants to start collecting parts for a build so we will see how things go...
440dartsport
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Start by ordering a block. They take forever to get. Indy and Keith Black are the only to players now. Keith Black is about a year wait and my Indy block took about 4 months.
earthmover
in the tire smoke
Bill Mitchell is building new blocks February they should be ready go...I've been trying to get ideas of aluminum or steel..heard different views on them..he help and was part of the world blocks ..from my understanding they just want have mopar on them ..
ssba
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Seems if you find yourself grabbing at the limits of one technology to reach your
speed goals wouldn't it make better sense to go with a different method.
hydrogen peroxide for example.
Then you could spend the bulk of your speed budget on stopping rather than accelerating.
Just kidding....kind of.
I'd likely go with the KB myself.
speed goals wouldn't it make better sense to go with a different method.
hydrogen peroxide for example.
Then you could spend the bulk of your speed budget on stopping rather than accelerating.
Just kidding....kind of.
I'd likely go with the KB myself.
earthmover
in the tire smoke
Please enlighten me as to why..wait 6 mths to a yr..send half the money up front ..I know they are and said to be the best but that's kinda crazy to me..seem like they would make a few of each r/rb. And have them ready as need when someone pay for 1 up front make a replacement for the stock..I run a small business myself not that kb is small but if I can't do the job when people call I'm short ..I have to look other places...and I'm not bashing here but it's just a crazy process if you ask me to have to wait that long and pay half up front and the dates just keep changing. .I would love to have a kb ..
ssba
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You said it yourself they are the best. Of course its crazy. You have to be crazy
to spend that much on an engine. But we do it anyway.
to spend that much on an engine. But we do it anyway.
earthmover
in the tire smoke
True but what's really crazy is sending 3000.00 in and wait til..................................................................................................................then wait til .................... a yr ..some have been a little longer..a lot of guys have had great experience with the bill Mitchell world blocks also ..all in what a person is willingto do. .I'm not willing to do that...
Was offered a great deal on a 638 ci 1050 hp motor just don't see it happen not ready put a Chevy in it yet...
Those are the questions that any engine builder will ask a customer that says they want to build a 588 inch engine. It is a weird size so any engine builder will want to know why that size? They'll also want to know what are you trying to accomplish and they'll want to know how big the budget is.
There is nothing magic about 588 cubes. Pro Stock enignes make a lot of power from 500 inches so if someone wants to go really fast just buy an old Pro Stock engine. A smarter question for the OP to ask would be "what is the easiest way to make 1000 hp" or whatever it is that they are trying to accomplish. Since the OP never said what they were really trying to accomplish it is a pointless discussion.
earthmover
in the tire smoke
Thanks Andy..I understand what you're saying. .I'm just doing a bunch of research and figured I'll ask questions as we plan to start collecting parts coming 2016..
But that is a great way to do it just ask ..
So what does it take to build and make reliable 1000hp. .if you and any others don't mind sharing. .I have your book have have read a lot of it..I was thinking about a 540 low deck at first the was told 572 and 588 also was told 557 I think....
Also so I'm not trying to get a big debate about things just looking for some good info to push along the parts choices. .I've been reading up on aluminum vs steel rods trying to get a idea on maintenance as well ..don't want something eating up Springs and things every few passes. .kinda like Gray Robbins deals 540 low deck and 572 tall deck he say the low maintenance motors ..
Doosterfy
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OK, that puts it in a different perspective. I thought you were asking why go for something so powerful. I'm not a Mopar expert by any means but I do know that big displacement, as long as its doable with common (not custom made) parts make big power a lot easier to attain. Also worth noting, Pro Stock engines are great and there are some good deals on used equipment but on the flip side, they are fairly high maintenance. If the 4.5 bore x 4.625 stroke costs the same to build as say a 540 inch engine than why not? Looking at his car I can see its at least tubbed or possibly full chassis so it can probably handle a big torque monster like a 588.
440dartsport
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I wouldn't recommend aluminum rods. Get a high quality steel rod and call it a day. Just my opinion.
440dartsport
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http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=325038
Here is my 572 build thread. It's pretty detailed.
Here is my 572 build thread. It's pretty detailed.
moper
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The problems I see for 1000hp na wedge are two: 1. The bigger the engine, the more pumping losses you bring to the table, and 2. there are few cylinder heads that will actually move enough air to do it. You can build two 1000+hp Chevies for the cost of one mopar. If it were me I'd just go with the bowtie. Unfortunately mopars simply don't have the economy of scale to help. So it's a huge 2nd gen Hemi, or spend twice the money and 4 times the time to get the parts to build a wedge.
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