So....What is YOUR opinion on VIN swaps ?

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SGBARRACUDA said:
Hey keep me going. I need 4 more posts to hit 10,000! Well three now.
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Comment on this then. I know it's an A-Body site but certainly any of us would want this car!

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It's damn pretty! Almost ready to re-join the traffic as well!
 
I have been helping him with some electrical stuff and pointed out that his replacement core support never got blacked out like his original he kept. That's when he produced the original and sure enough there was very light flat black paint on it. He always thought it was dirt, he has taken care of that detail.
 
I had the opportunity to buy a 1988 daytona shelby that was a 2 tag car. Ser number 000001 The second id tag in the engine compartment only said 1988 C1 PILOT.

This was a pilot production car. It was never supposed to get out of the factory. And there it was with 50K on its odometer and a title. Not as cool as the first hemi RR, but cool in its own right i think
 
moparmat2000 said:
I had the opportunity to buy a 1988 daytona shelby that was a 2 tag car. Ser number 000001 The second id tag in the engine compartment only said 1988 C1 PILOT.

This was a pilot production car. It was never supposed to get out of the factory. And there it was with 50K on its odometer and a title. Not as cool as the first hemi RR, but cool in its own right i think
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That is my thought when I first laid eyes on this car. It should have been scrapped yet it survives.

I have seen all the paper work and all the #'s it is Legit!
 
How cool is that! Man I wish I was one of those bought it new and kept it guys. I bought a brand new 71 Hemi GTX but only kept it one year.
 
SGBARRACUDA said:
How cool is that! Man I wish I was one of those bought it new and kept it guys. I bought a brand new 71 Hemi GTX but only kept it one year.
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Yeah pretty rare!

This guy loves this car and sad part is he moved from Italy in the early sixties and still speaks broken English, and does not communicate well on the web, he made me go through a 45 minute interview before I was allowed to see the car. Guess I passed! I first met him by responding for help wanted on MoParts. Got his electrical issues answered to his satisfaction and gave him some of my colored PDF drawings just for his RR.
 
i watch the auction shows all the time and here is what i am seeing regarding "numbers matching" cars.

there are three categories of cars going through the last couple of mecum and auctions america events:

1. "all original" survivor or restored cars that still have the original motors and drive train as shown by the "original" stamped numbers on all the parts. these are the "premium" cars and are bringing the highest prices. they are also the most rare in these auctions. one note of interest - on these "restored" "original" cars, i have never seen one comment made as to how many "non number stamped parts" were used on the body. the commentators ONLY talk about the original motors and drive lines. these cars also generally have substantial original paperwork that follows the entire history of the car. AND these cars are almost exclusively purchased by "serious collectors" for private collections. as such, you can be sure that if there is anything "questionable" about the "authenticity" of THESE cars, the lawyers WILL get involved.

2. restored or survivor cars that have "warranty" or "date correct" engine blocks and "date correct" other stamped parts. these cars are bringing almost as much money as the completely "original" cars noted above. the announcers always talk about the parts that have been replaced by "date correct" parts. there also is no mention as to how many body parts may have been replaced on these cars.

3. "clones" or "tribute" cars that have been "built" to resemble factory muscle or specialty cars using any motor and drive train that the manufacturer might have offered for that model OR drive lines that were available on later model years. these cars are selling for around 30-40 percent of what the "original" cars sell for.

the above categories are developing with all models and vehicle manufacturers and i have seen all three represented at the major car auctions.

finally, if you REALLY want to "get into" the whole VIN number "is it original" universe, go to the Corvette web sites. from what i've seen, the Corvette folks are REALLY into all this "numbers matching" stuff. there are at least three major "national" groups that do nothing but focus on "authenticating" old Corvettes. in one of the Mecum auctions, they actually had a Corvette expert talk for about 5 minutes about how all the production numbers are known and that there are now more 67 427, 435 hp tri-carb Corvettes "registered" than were actually produced by GM. i'm pretty sure there is nothing in the mopar world that comes close to the obsession over numbers the Corvette folks have.
 
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You know what sheets me about you VIN Nazis?

You are the way you are because you care about the "investment" more than you care about the enjoyment of spannering on old cars.

You think that anyone swapping a VIN is setting out to make $100K from a slant 6 Barracuda. Mostly these guys are just trying to get their titled car back on the road. Most of them are average Joes.

You scrotes post all fake angry here and shout illegal this, lock-him-up that....and it's you preeks that are defacto defending the investors who have made the car of your dreams un-fkn-obtainable.

You need to have a good think about what you're doing. I say flood the market with AAR Cudas and Hemi Roadrunners......the "real" enthusiasts deserve to have the opportunity to have the car of their dreams.
 
Look whose showing the anger.? It's not about the cloning that should be your concern. It's weather or not it is legal or not or dare I say morally responsible or not! Because sooner or later your going to want to sell that Frankenstein you created to some unknowing person. But then I would suspect you would blame them for being stupid enough to buy it EH?
 
Ok back to the rebody thing. I bet if you took the numbers and title to a rusted out 318 challenger and swapped it all to a new aftermarket body shell nobody here would give a flip.
 
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