A Good Day Turned Bad

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jonn6464

jonn6464

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I figured I would see how the wheels on using for my Duster build looked on the Challenger. Since I won't be needing them for at least a year, I figured I'd put them to good use. I was happy with the result, so I decided to drive the car to work today.
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I put some gas in my car on my lunch break, and this is what I came out to when I left...
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Can anyone tell me what happened? Obviously gas came up and out of the filler neck, but WTF?! I pumped until it clicked off, just like I always do. I did put some octane boost in it at the same time, but I would hope that would not cause a reaction to make fuel purge up and out of the tank. I didn't take any hard & fast turns after I left the station.
I'm beyond upset tonight.
 
Single stage lacquer paint?

Octane boost usually has hash solvents unit (toluene?) that will eat almost any non catalyzed paint.
 
Octane boost. Toluene or whatever they use now. Hard on paint.

we had just painted my buddy’s dad’s 69 chevy and went to fill it up. Jockey spilled everywhere. We caught it but it discoloured it. Buddy was pissed.
 
My first question is "how is the tank vent" set up? What year is the car? And on a side note this is EXACTLY why I discourage those who would want to use a vented cap on a filler such as these. The (factory) sealed cap and vent tube setup on the "some 70" and earlier A bodies makes this scene near impossible--if the proper cap is used and it is properly sealing. (They use an open vent tube welded into the high end of the filler neck, goes up, then down, through the trunk floor)
 
jonn6464 said:
I figured I would see how the wheels on using for my Duster build looked on the Challenger. Since I won't be needing them for at least a year, I figured I'd put them to good use. I was happy with the result, so I decided to drive the car to work today.
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I put some gas in my car on my lunch break, and this is what I came out to when I left...
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Can anyone tell me what happened? Obviously gas came up and out of the filler neck, but WTF?! I pumped until it clicked off, just like I always do. I did put some octane boost in it at the same time, but I would hope that would not cause a reaction to make fuel purge up and out of the tank. I didn't take any hard & fast turns after I left the station.
I'm beyond upset tonight.
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You don't have to drive very crazy for the fuel to slosh from a full tank...
 
I certainly hope you NEED octane booster. If you don't, what a colossal waste. The octane booster is what did it. One of the girls I worked with at O'Reilly dropped a bottle and it busted on the floor. Before we could get the mop bucket out (less than a minute) it had eaten the wax completely OFF the floor and softened up the tiles. It curled the edges of the tiles up. We had to have like 12-13 tiles replaces. That's some nasty stuff. It is not meant to be anywhere near paint.
 
was it a warm day? did you park the car in the sun? My 70 cuda, when new, would puke fuel out of a full tank on a warm day, when parked on a good incline. I'm pretty sure that the fuel additive was too harsh for the paint, of course.
 
67Dart273 said:
My first question is "how is the tank vent" set up? What year is the car? And on a side note this is EXACTLY why I discourage those who would want to use a vented cap on a filler such as these. The (factory) sealed cap and vent tube setup on the "some 70" and earlier A bodies makes this scene near impossible--if the proper cap is used and it is properly sealing. (They use an open vent tube welded into the high end of the filler neck, goes up, then down, through the trunk floor)
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These E bodies have a vent system using nipples coming out of the tank, with a collector line going to a charcoal cannister. Beneath the flip top cap, there is a twist on/off gas cap that I always beleived was non-vented (due to the tank being vented under the car). So,I never would have thought that fuel would be able to escape at the top of the neck. It's sounding like the octane boost is the culprit. Truly, I had no idea it was that harsh.
My Duster has the exact vent tube, high on the neck, that you described.
 
RustyRatRod said:
I certainly hope you NEED octane booster. If you don't, what a colossal waste. The octane booster is what did it. One of the girls I worked with at O'Reilly dropped a bottle and it busted on the floor. Before we could get the mop bucket out (less than a minute) it had eaten the wax completely OFF the floor and softened up the tiles. It curled the edges of the tiles up. We had to have like 12-13 tiles replaces. That's some nasty stuff. It is not meant to be anywhere near paint.
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Well, Rusty, nobody *needs* octane boost I don't guess. I was just trying to show the old girl some love. The really sh**ty thing is, I was gonna use the half full gas can sitting in the shop to top it off last night. But, I thought "no, just hit a gas station". I didn't even think about octane boost until I drove past O'Reillys a block up from the station. It was an impulse decision. But, yes, you are certainly correct about this being a colossal waste. Never again with the octane.
 
rustycowll69 said:
was it a warm day? did you park the car in the sun? My 70 cuda, when new, would puke fuel out of a full tank on a warm day, when parked on a good incline. I'm pretty sure that the fuel additive was too harsh for the paint, of course.
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the filler on the cuda is behind the license plate. It would push out the filler cap, and wet the organisol black painted back panel.
 
Put a vent/overflow tube on the fill tube neck right below the cap copy the 70 style run it back down the fill tube and under the floor.
 
jonn6464 said:
Well, Rusty, nobody *needs* octane boost I don't guess. I was just trying to show the old girl some love. The really sh**ty thing is, I was gonna use the half full gas can sitting in the shop to top it off last night. But, I thought "no, just hit a gas station". I didn't even think about octane boost until I drove past O'Reillys a block up from the station. It was an impulse decision. But, yes, you are certainly correct about this being a colossal waste. Never again with the octane.
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Well, I didn't mean it to come out like an I told you so......I realize it probably sounded like that. My bad. I just meant that the octane booster was certainly at fault for removing the paint. I am sorry that happened.

We had a customer recently who came back with a truck Matt painted like three years ago. Solid black. Beautiful 53 GMC. The guy seldom drives it, but when he does and he gasses up, he admitted every time that he just let gas overflow onto the paint......and NEVER cleaned it off. So guess what? Over time, it took the paint off. Primer, sealer, epoxy and all, all the way down to bare metal.

But this truck was a turnkey restoration. Between 80-100K was spent on it. So what did Matt do? Yup. He repainted and blended that spot free of charge to make sure the customer was happy. He never complained or blamed Matt, so Matt took care of him.

Did you have that car painted or did you buy it like that? I just wonder if you approached who painted it with a good attitude and asked nicely if they would help you out some on it? It's worth a try. They might not do it free, but they might do it really reasonably. Just a thought. That's a tough lesson to learn.
 
That sucks! I feel for you and on a beautiful Challenger too! I hope you can get the paint matched up.
 
Was the additive poured in before the fuel fill up or after?
 
It seems to me that happen almost every spring on my '85 wagoneer with late winter fuel and a warm day.
Pukes a little up and eats whatever spray paint is on there. If not caught early enough it eats through whats left of the original finish too. As you can see in this photo.
You get different fuel down there than we have here, but probably many of the same ingrediants.

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Beautiful car. That's a true bummer.

But, you posting it will help many others, including me, to stay away from octane booster.
 
RustyRatRod said:
Well, I didn't mean it to come out like an I told you so......I realize it probably sounded like that. My bad. I just meant that the octane booster was certainly at fault for removing the paint. I am sorry that happened.

We had a customer recently who came back with a truck Matt painted like three years ago. Solid black. Beautiful 53 GMC. The guy seldom drives it, but when he does and he gasses up, he admitted every time that he just let gas overflow onto the paint......and NEVER cleaned it off. So guess what? Over time, it took the paint off. Primer, sealer, epoxy and all, all the way down to bare metal.

But this truck was a turnkey restoration. Between 80-100K was spent on it. So what did Matt do? Yup. He repainted and blended that spot free of charge to make sure the customer was happy. He never complained or blamed Matt, so Matt took care of him.

Did you have that car painted or did you buy it like that? I just wonder if you approached who painted it with a good attitude and asked nicely if they would help you out some on it? It's worth a try. They might not do it free, but they might do it really reasonably. Just a thought. That's a tough lesson to learn.
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I'm not mad at ya, it's all good. Just a crappy piece of luck. The car belonged to my father, and when he passed away last year it came to me. Paint was done long ago, in another city, in another country, so I'll have to deal with the repair myself. No worries though, I peeled some pieces off and will go see if I can get the color matched.

I'm set up to paint in my shop at home, so I'll just do my best to match it. If it comes down to it, I'll take it to a pro. Can't be too much money to blend that small of an area.
 
jonn6464 said:
I'm not mad at ya, it's all good. Just a crappy piece of luck. The car belonged to my father, and when he passed away last year it came to me. Paint was done long ago, in another city, in another country, so I'll have to deal with the repair myself. No worries though, I peeled some pieces off and will go see if I can get the color matched.

I'm set up to paint in my shop at home, so I'll just do my best to match it. If it comes down to it, I'll take it to a pro. Can't be too much money to blend that small of an area.
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Some paint stores have a scanner for matching paint. Helps if they know how to use it.
Sorry for your loss. Looks nasty. It looks like lacquer but hard to tell from a picture. Non-catalyzed products need special attention to repair.
 
Bodyperson said:
Some paint stores have a scanner for matching paint. Helps if they know how to use it.
Sorry for your loss. Looks nasty. It looks like lacquer but hard to tell from a picture. Non-catalyzed products need special attention to repair.
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Ok, good tip. I'll see if the paint place has the scanner. It's a small town store, so who knows.
 
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