Edelbrock Victor Series Race Cylinder Heads or Trick Flow cylinder heads

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Robert Navarro

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I own a 1966 barracuda with a 318 LA & I wanted to build it up.I can't decide if I should either go with the edelbrock heads or the trickflow heads.Have been reading about both and I wanted to hear more of your guys opinion on it directly.
 
Is this a rebuild or looking to change out cam and heads deal?

Those big valves in the Victor head would be too big for the 318 bore. You also have to consider different headers and valvetrain. It's not standard LA.

Trick Flow 190's use standard LA intake manifold and exhaust.

It depends on your budget and how far you want to take it. If your budget doesn't line up with how far you want to take you need to identify some compromises.

It doesn't seem like you want a a sub-$3000 budget build if you are looking at heads that run $1100+ to $1700+ a peice. Definitely not a budget build if you are considering the Victor heads because you will need other high dollar parts just to make them work (TTi headers).

With the 318 you are going to cross the Victor off the list. with 318 cubic inches I wouldn't jump right into the Trick Flows without identifying what your goals are. If you want a strong street engine you can get by on the Edelbrock Performer heads. I had a 318 with the Performer head and intake as part of their "Top End Kit". Forgot the cam specs but that thing moved!

If you don't want to compromise why not find a 360 block and start there? It doesn't cost anymore to build than a 318 and the extra cubic inches would take better advantage of a better heads CFM.
 
Your building up a 318?
What is the goal?

@go-fish numerically speaking, a 3.15 & 1.60 valve equal 3.75 which in the stock 318 bore of 3.91, fit.
Hughes Engines

Though there use on a 318 is hard for me to find fitting.
And then there is the valves angle.
I personally go with the TF’s.
 
rumblefish360 said:
Your building up a 318?
What is the goal?

@go-fish numerically speaking, a 3.15 & 1.60 valve equal 3.75 which in the stock 318 bore of 3.91, fit.
Hughes Engines

Though there use on a 318 is hard for me to find fitting.
And then there is the valves angle.
I personally go with the TF’s.
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Should have worded it differently. Too much not too big?
Brings up thoughts though. I’ve seen a lot of builds where there isn’t enough head flow to fully support a big inch engine, ie. unported or small heads and hot cammed stroker LA.
What would be the results of big time cam heads on a stock stroke with a performance camshaft? Good road race engine that lives at high rpm?

I’m going to start my own thread because I don’t want to derail this one with my own questions.
 
Well there's no real budget for me, as I'm just gonna build it over time.Well I'm not trying to do a rebuild but my goal is to get a strong street performance car.And yeah better headers, cam, and I plan to put a 318-390 stroker kit
 
Robert Navarro said:
Well there's no real budget for me, as I'm just gonna build it over time.Well I'm not trying to do a rebuild but my goal is to get a strong street performance car.And yeah better headers, cam, and I plan to put a 318-390 stroker kit
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If you plan on doing a stroker kit you are going to have to rebuild the engine anyway. May as well start out with a larger displacement. A 390 would would make awesome power too and you already have the block so I can definitely see why you would want to keep the 318.

If you are going to build it over time I would suggest trying to find a 360 and do a 408” engine. Research heads and head porters that can get you around 250-300 cfm at .500” lift .

You can get there with a multitude of options. Hughes Engines offers a Performer head with relocated pushrod locations.

Bigmouth Ports: We open up your intake ports to the BigMouth size. The original pushrod tunnel is plugged and moved over .350". The intake ports are then CNC ported the full length up to the bowl to take advantage of the extra flow potential.
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Hughes has a CNC program for the Edelbrocks so even the standard 6077 with a CNC job can get you a seriously good flowing head.

The Indy Cylinder Head 360-1 and 360-2 options are great heads and you can get them in kit form so you get intake manifold, rockers, the whole top end minus cam and lifters. You should know what cam you want when ordering. I like the kit option a lot and thinking about it for my next build. A 396” 360.

There are cheaper options like Promaxx and Speedmaster that go pretty good down the track. Member “AARcuda” on here has a set of Speedmasters on his race car and it really scoots. I was inspired by that and bought a set and had them ported by the guy that put my 318 together down here in San Diego, Cogswell Machine. Cogswell had talked to AARcuda at Bakersfield, where he was racing, and was very impressed. He was happy that I brought some in and he, himself, bought a set for his personal car after porting mine. I can share prices with you from that.

One negative thing I n the Promaxx and Speedmaster heads is the rocker arm geometry. What I didn’t like is that my guy used lash caps. After I found out he had to use lash caps I looked into it more and found B3 ‘s ( @B3RE ) tech articles

Lastly, do yourself a favor and look into IMM since they are down in the Coachella Valley near you. If you don’t already know about them they are a father son deal and put together some pretty good stuff. It would be worth it for you research a little more and give them a call. You may even be able to buy your rotating assembly and heads through them. They work with Indy but I don’t know about “dealer” status or anything. It’s YOUR neighborhood Mopar machinist so look into them.
 
Flow comparisons aside...Trick Flow's quality generally beats the crap out of Edelbrock's.
 
beanhead said:
Flow comparisons aside...Trick Flow's quality generally beats the crap out of Edelbrock's.
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True and they come CNC’ed right?

OP was originally asking about the Victor head though. Much better (more $$$) than the Edelbrock Performers though.

Curious as to the OOTB call ndition of the Indy 360’s….
 
Go see Brain at IMM in Indio. He did the porting on those Speedmaster heads plus head work and repair on several other sets of Eddy heads.
 
Robert Navarro said:
Yeah, but are the Victor heads better than the trick flows....not the ordinary edelbrock rpm heads
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Probably yes....but they will cost you an arm and leg......if you have existing pistons throw them away as they use different valve,,,,,,But it aint my money
 
go-fish said:
If you plan on doing a stroker kit you are going to have to rebuild the engine anyway. May as well start out with a larger displacement. A 390 would would make awesome power too and you already have the block so I can definitely see why you would want to keep the 318.

If you are going to build it over time I would suggest trying to find a 360 and do a 408” engine. Research heads and head porters that can get you around 250-300 cfm at .500” lift .

You can get there with a multitude of options. Hughes Engines offers a Performer head with relocated pushrod locations.



Hughes has a CNC program for the Edelbrocks so even the standard 6077 with a CNC job can get you a seriously good flowing head.

The Indy Cylinder Head 360-1 and 360-2 options are great heads and you can get them in kit form so you get intake manifold, rockers, the whole top end minus cam and lifters. You should know what cam you want when ordering. I like the kit option a lot and thinking about it for my next build. A 396” 360.

There are cheaper options like Promaxx and Speedmaster that go pretty good down the track. Member “AARcuda” on here has a set of Speedmasters on his race car and it really scoots. I was inspired by that and bought a set and had them ported by the guy that put my 318 together down here in San Diego, Cogswell Machine. Cogswell had talked to AARcuda at Bakersfield, where he was racing, and was very impressed. He was happy that I brought some in and he, himself, bought a set for his personal car after porting mine. I can share prices with you from that.

One negative thing I n the Promaxx and Speedmaster heads is the rocker arm geometry. What I didn’t like is that my guy used lash caps. After I found out he had to use lash caps I looked into it more and found B3 ‘s ( @B3RE ) tech articles

Lastly, do yourself a favor and look into IMM since they are down in the Coachella Valley near you. If you don’t already know about them they are a father son deal and put together some pretty good stuff. It would be worth it for you research a little more and give them a call. You may even be able to buy your rotating assembly and heads through them. They work with Indy but I don’t know about “dealer” status or anything. It’s YOUR neighborhood Mopar machinist so look into them.
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Well I would get a 360, but I rather just work on my 318 since I already have it in hand & try to get the most power out of it to make it a street performance car
 
These keyboard warriors are going to make you a broke man quicker than you could stay Rumpelstiltskin! LOL..
Unless you're trying to win the fastest car in the world race which ain't going to happen with a 318 stroker or not you'll probably be extremely happy with some $700 Speedmaster heads on Black Friday in 3 months. Remember any head you buy are going to need a bolt kit because your factory head bolts or at least a couple of them won't fit. Then of course while you're at it you'll need new head gaskets likely new intake manifold gaskets likely and while you're at it you might as well get some new valve cover and header gaskets...
Of course around of all the new beginner hot rod stuff is necessary here a four-barrel and four barrel aluminum intake and a set of headers which is a real expensive prospect for a 66. Like someone's probably mentioned the ttis which are kind of overkill for the 318 but since you're going for performance and it's not my money and go for it LOL..
I've got the out of the box speedmasters on my 360 - 410 Stroker and very happy with them...
Anyways happy Hot rodding..
 
70aarcuda said:
Probably yes....but they will cost you an arm and leg......if you have existing pistons throw them away as they use different valve,,,,,,But it aint my money
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Yeah, the price difference is about 700$ each and I plan to get the stroker kit so the current pistons don't really matter.
 
Do you have an end goal target ?? Makes a big difference on the component selection. Anyways, if it's a street engine, I like the Trick Flow's of the two you listed. Actually, the trick flow's for a race engine too.
 
Robert Navarro said:
Yeah, the price difference is about 700$ each and I plan to get the stroker kit so the current pistons don't really matter.
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Better decide on which head you are going to use before you buy pistons.....Pistons for the Eddy Victor are not stock shelf piston....special order.
 
j par said:
These keyboard warriors are going to make you a broke man quicker than you could stay Rumpelstiltskin! LOL..
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Shop at the Dollar Tree, you end up with a Dollar Tree product. lol
 
Robert Navarro said:
Yeah, the price difference is about 700$ each and I plan to get the stroker kit so the current pistons don't really matter.
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Factor in another grand for headers. These are the only option other than custom units.
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https://www.ttiexhaust.com/TTi360W5ED.htm
A $2500 premium? Another head would likely meet your end game and be cheaper and have more potential than you 390 would even need.

A point should be made that a Victor head is for an engine that’s in a different class than a 390 “street” engine. But like @70aarcuda says, it ain’t my money.

I would love to see you use them. Would like to see them in use anywhere. I haven’t seen them on many engines.
 
318willrun said:
Do you have an end goal target ?? Makes a big difference on the component selection. Anyways, if it's a street engine, I like the Trick Flow's of the two you listed. Actually, the trick flow's for a race engine too.
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I don't really have an end goal in mind but the goal is to just work on it through time till I finish my build. But trick flows do sound more of the convenient way to go
 
Robert Navarro said:
I don't really have an end goal in mind but the goal is to just work on it through time till I finish my build. But trick flows do sound more of the convenient way to go
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No budget , no end goal ? you really need both before attempting to build a decent stroker.
 
Robert Navarro said:
I don't really have an end goal in mind but the goal is to just work on it through time till I finish my build. But trick flows do sound more of the convenient way to go
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well, just so you know, it's very hard for even the most experienced among us (and that's not me !!) to make recommendations of part selection without a goal.
 
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