The end is near...

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Well,the way I see it is that I knew freedom .Anyone born after the 70's doesn't understand what we lost because they never really had it. All they have now is an illusion of an abstract version of something called freedom. You know,when I was in college in 1969 I could go to the airport in Los Angles with my belongings in a paper bag from the grocery store,buy a ticket student stand by for 80 bucks ,pay in cash,not have to show id,have a couple joints in my pocket and smoke them in the bathroom on the plane and fly to New York no questions asked. And yes,there was a smoking section on the plane too. We didn't have to answer to anyone about much. Now try that .I went into a Citi bank to pay a 700 dollar bill for a dumpster I rented and paid for with a master card. I got the interogated by the bank manager about where I got that cash,what I did for a living.This is no bull **** ,this really happened here in America in 2015 .Now do you understand why I'm glad I'm old. WAKE UP
 
valiantwagonguy said:
Well,the way I see it is that I knew freedom .Anyone born after the 70's doesn't understand what we lost because they never really had it. All they have now is an illusion of an abstract version of something called freedom. You know,when I was in college in 1969 I could go to the airport in Los Angles with my belongings in a paper bag from the grocery store,buy a ticket student stand by for 80 bucks ,pay in cash,not have to show id,have a couple joints in my pocket and smoke them in the bathroom on the plane and fly to New York no questions asked. And yes,there was a smoking section on the plane too. We didn't have to answer to anyone about much. Now try that .I went into a Citi bank to pay a 700 dollar bill for a dumpster I rented and paid for with a master card. I got the interogated by the bank manager about where I got that cash,what I did for a living.This is no bull **** ,this really happened here in America in 2015 .Now do you understand why I'm glad I'm old. WAKE UP
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PREACH IT BROTHER........finally another guy on this site that TRULY UNDERSTANDS what is happening.
 
'68cuda416 said:
In a morbid kind of way I doubt that you are alone in those thoughts considering what we are witnessing from the Bert and Ernie excuse of our so called leaders
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Watch your step. You talk about politics in a General forum and you might get another vacation.
 
'68cuda416 said:
PREACH IT BROTHER........finally another guy on this site that TRULY UNDERSTANDS what is happening.
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Spend more time in N+P. The sharks are hungry.:D
We can get as nasty as we want. lol well sort of.
 
I'd be more worried about the left outlawing all gas powered cars in the next decade or so.
Plus i think LS swaps will becoming more abundant then gen 3, and what so wrong with gen 3 hemi's ? I'm a fan of LA engines but I see gen 3 as a hemi headed LA anyways.
 
If you were to have asked the elderly of the 70s, they would have told you the world is going bananas in a monkey village.

Same thing today. This planet is going to spin with or without us driving mopars
 
273 said:
I'd be more worried about the left outlawing all gas powered cars in the next decade or so.
Plus i think LS swaps will becoming more abundant then gen 3, and what so wrong with gen 3 hemi's ? I'm a fan of LA engines but I see gen 3 as a hemi headed LA anyways.
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My "theory" on one of the reasons I don't like the Gen 3 is that it is being used as a stepping stone to get rid of the older engine platforms and allow them to die while society is being tricked into thinking you actually have something and case in point is a person gets rid of his LA platform vehicle and gets into a Gen 3 platform.....fast forward a few years and now "they" don't want the Gen 3 either so you get prodded into accepting the charger EV that vroom vroom's you.....it's not so much about the engines and cars as to what the end game is.
 
toolmanmike said:
Sort of. There are rules there too.
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Well yea, but it's hard to throw a fist threw the computer screen and I'm too disciplined to use bad words and make threats.
I prefer to do that in person.
So, I'm good, I think. :D
 
'68cuda416 said:
My "theory" on one of the reasons I don't like the Gen 3 is that it is being used as a stepping stone to get rid of the older engine platforms and allow them to die while society is being tricked into thinking you actually have something and case in point is a person gets rid of his LA platform vehicle and gets into a Gen 3 platform.....fast forward a few years and now "they" don't want the Gen 3 either so you get prodded into accepting the charger EV that vroom vroom's you.....it's not so much about the engines and cars as to what the end game is.
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I have no problem with Gen 111, What I do know, in factory trim it will walk all over any LA.
I think all the LA's were pigs, except for maybe the 340, maybe.
 
'68cuda416 said:
My "theory" on one of the reasons I don't like the Gen 3 is that it is being used as a stepping stone to get rid of the older engine platforms and allow them to die while society is being tricked into thinking you actually have something and case in point is a person gets rid of his LA platform vehicle and gets into a Gen 3 platform.....fast forward a few years and now "they" don't want the Gen 3 either so you get prodded into accepting the charger EV that vroom vroom's you.....it's not so much about the engines and cars as to what the end game is.
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I Kind of get what your saying don't totally disagree, but soon all we'll have is the engines that have been made and no more until the end of time for future Rodding as they phase out V8 gas automobile engines in the next few years.
 
fishmens67 said:
I have no problem with Gen 111, What I do know, in factory trim it will walk all over any LA.
I think all the LA's were pigs, except for maybe the 340, maybe.
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Ehhhhh your comparing 2 dramatically different eras in technical ability which isn't really fair in itself....it has been proven time and time again that a current day modified 60's mopar LA platform can easily gap a modified Gen 3 Charger or Challenger
 
273 said:
I Kind of get what your saying don't totally disagree, but soon all we'll have is the engines that have been made and no more until the end of time for future Rodding as they phase out V8 gas automobile engines in the next few years.
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Evil isn't it
 
'68cuda416 said:
My "theory" on one of the reasons I don't like the Gen 3 is that it is being used as a stepping stone to get rid of the older engine platforms and allow them to die while society is being tricked into thinking you actually have something and case in point is a person gets rid of his LA platform vehicle and gets into a Gen 3 platform.....fast forward a few years and now "they" don't want the Gen 3 either so you get prodded into accepting the charger EV that vroom vroom's you.....it's not so much about the engines and cars as to what the end game is.
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That boils down to consumer choice. I'd love another lat model Charger, it was a great car, and only a v6, with almost as much power as the 50 year old dinosaurs I drive. Reliable, never had any issues with it, it just ran and drove, and handled better then anything else I've owned. But I don't sell my old cars, they are the fun ones to drive, and I drive them. Trailer Queen cars are not for me, they were meant to b driven and I love putting the miles on.

So if Joe Blow wants to waste his money by buying a new car every X number of years, let him. I can't control what's going on in the auto industry, I just want to keep driving the old rides I already have.
 
'68cuda416 said:
Ehhhhh your comparing 2 dramatically different eras in technical ability which isn't really fair in itself....it has been proven time and time again that a current day modified 60's mopar LA platform can easily gap a modified Gen 3 Charger or Challenger
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Got any examples? I'd love to read about that.
 
fishmens67 said:
I have no problem with Gen 111, What I do know, in factory trim it will walk all over any LA.
I think all the LA's were pigs, except for maybe the 340, maybe.
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I don't honestly know as I don't have interest in the modern HEMI but what does a conventional non power adder Challenger or Charger run in the 1/4 compared to lets say a 71 Duster 340 4 speed ? I mean do they really blow the old platform away? Hmmmmm I may need to investigate that
 
'68cuda416 said:
Ehhhhh your comparing 2 dramatically different eras in technical ability which isn't really fair in itself....it has been proven time and time again that a current day modified 60's mopar LA platform can easily gap a modified Gen 3 Charger or Challenger
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If using stock heads LS and Hemi have the advantage but if aftermarket are gonna be used anyways the advantage is nullified for the most part.
 
LocuMob said:
Got any examples? I'd love to read about that.
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Stock 1/4 mile times for the year 1970 Cars:
1970 AMC AMX (MT)
390ci/325hp, 4spd, 3.54, 0-60 - 6.5, 1/4 mile - 14.68 @ 92mph
1970 AMC AMX (PHR)
360ci/315hp, 4spd, 3.51, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.90 @ 94.63mph
1970 AMC Javelin SST (CL)
390ci/325hp, 3spd auto, 3.15, 0-60 - 7.6, 1/4 mile - 15.11 @ 91.5mph
1970 AMC Rebel Machine (HR)
390ci/340hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.49 @ 93mph
1970 Buick Skylark GS (HC)
455ci/360hp, 4spd, 3.64, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.72 @ 105.01mph
1970 Buick Skylark GS (MT)
455ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.64, 1/4 mile - 13.38 @ 105mph
1970 Buick Skylark GSX (CC)
445ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.64, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.28 @ 99.77mph
1970 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS454 (CL)
454ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 2.73, 0-60 - 7.7, 1/4 mile - 16.2 @ 90.1mph
1970 Chevelle SS396 (CL)
396ci/350hp, 3spd auto, 3.31, 0-60 - 8.1, 1/4 mile - 15.5 @ 90mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (SSC)
450ci/450hp, 3spd auto, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.55 @ 104mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (CC)
454ci/450hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile 13.12 @ 107.01mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (CD)
454ci/450hp, 3spd auto, 3.70, 0-60 - 5.4, 1/4 mile 13.81 @ 103.80mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (HR)
454ci/450hp, 4spd, 4.11, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.44 @ 108.17mph
1970 Camaro Z/28 (MT)
350ci/370hp, 3spd, 3.73, 0-60 - 7.0, 1/4 mile - 15.4 @ 94mph
1970 Camaro Z/28 (CC)
350ci/370hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.11 @ 102.73mph
1970 Camaro Z/28 (HC)
350ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.88 @ 101mph
1970 Nova SS (CC)
350ci/300hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.90 @ 94mph
1970 Nova SS (RT)
396ci/350hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.7 @ 98.02mph
1970 Corvette (CL)
350ci/370hp, 4spd, 4.11, 0-60 - 5.7, 1/4 mile - 14.17 @ 102.15mph
1970 Chrysler 300-Hurst (CL)
440ci/375hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 7.1, 1/4 mile - 15.30 @ 94.93mph
1970 Dodge Dart (CC)
340ci/275hp, 3spd std, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.70 @ 96.84mph
1970 Dodge Charger R/T (CL)
440ci/375hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.71 @ 96.67mph
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (PHR)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.33 @ 99.88mph
1970 Dodge Challenger 340 (HC)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.55 @ 97mph
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (CC)
440ci/390hp, 3spd auto, 3.2.3, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.62 @ 104.28mph
1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible R/T (CL)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 3.54, 0-60 - 7.1, 1/4 mile - 14.64 @ 97.82mph
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (CD)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 5.8, 1/4 mile - 14. 10 @ 103.20mph
1970 Dodge Challenger SE (CC)
426ci/425hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.3, 1/4 mile - 13. 10 @ 107.12mph
1970 Mustang Mach 1 (PHR)
428ci/335hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.03 @ 98.89mph
1970 Mustang Boss 302 (CL)
302ci/290hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - 6.5, 1/4 mile - 14.85 @ 96.10mph
1970 Mustang Mach 1 (MT)
351ci/300hp, 3spd, 3.00, 0-60 - 8.2, 1/4 mile - 16.0 @ 86.2mph
1970 Mustang Mach 1 (CC)
351ci/300hp, 4spd, 3.50, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.23 @ 94.33mph
1970 Mustang Boss 429 (SS)
429ci/375hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.64 @ 104.65mph
1970 Ford Torino GT (CL)
351ci/300hp, 4spd, 3.25, 0-60 - 8.1, 1/4 mile - 15.6 @ 89.5mph
1970 Ford Torino (MT)
429ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3,50, 0-60 - 6.0, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 100.2mph
1970 Ford Torino (CC)
429ci/375hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.85 @ 104.06mph
1970 Ford Torino SCJ (SS)
429ci/370hp, auto, 3.91, 1/4 mile - 13.62@ 105.90mph
1970 Mercury Cyclone (MT)
429ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3.50, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 99mph
1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator (CL)
302ci/290hp, 4spd, 4.30, 0-60 - 7.6, 1/4 mile - 15.8 @ 90mph
1970 Cutlass Rallye 350 (CL)
350ci/310hp, 4spd, 3.42, 0-60 - 7.0, 1/4 mile - 15.27 @ 94.33mph
1970 Cutlass W31 (PHR)
350ci/325hp, 3spd auto, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.62 @ 96.05mph
1970 Cutlass SX (MT)
455ci/365hp, 3spd auto, 3.08, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.80 @95mph
1970 Cutlass 442 (HC)
455ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.89@ 103.22mph
1970 Plymouth Duster 340 (CC)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile 14.22 @ 98mph
1970 Plymouth Duster 340 (CL)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 6.2, 1/4 mile - 14.72 @ 94.24mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda AAR (CL)
340ci/290hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 99mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (RT)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.36 @ 94mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (MT)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 96mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (CL)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 7.5, 1/4 mile - 15.0 @ 94mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 440+6 (PHR)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.97 @ 104mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda (CC)
426ci/425hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.10 @ 107mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda (CC)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.69 @ 105.63mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda Covertible (HPC)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - 5.6, 1/4 mile - 13.45 @ 105mph
1970 Plymouth Road Runner (MT)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.06 @ 101.69mph
1970 Plymouth Road Runner (SS)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.34 @ 107.50mph
1970 Pontiac Grand Prix SJ (HPC)
455ci/370hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.19 @ 101.29mph
1970 GTO (HPC)
400ci/366hp, 4spd, 3.90, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.45 @ 100mph
1970 GTO (CC)
400ci/370hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.02 @ 98.90mph
1970 GTO (CD)
455ci/360hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 15.00 @ 96.50mph
1970 GTO (CL)
455ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.76 @ 95.94mph
1970 Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 (CL)
400ci/330hp, 3spd auto, 3.07, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.86 @ 95.54mph
1970 Pontiac Trans Am (HR)
400ci/345hp, 4spd, 3.91, 1/4 mile - 13.90 @ 102mph
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LocuMob said:
According to Automobile Catalog, 15 seconds for the Duster 340/4 speed.

Detailed specs review of 1971 Plymouth Duster 340 4-speed offered since September 1970 for North America


Using your website provided,

R/T 2dr Coupe
372 Hp, 401 Lb-Ft., 4041 Weight
5.7 sec, 14.2 @ 100

The V6 isn't that far behind.

SE 2dr Coupe
250 Hp, 250 Lb-Ft., 3719 Weight
7.1 sec, 15.4 @ 90
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I was just confirming a suspicion that the Gen 3 N/A platform in a modern production car doesn't walk all over the muscle cars from yesteryear.
 
'68cuda416 said:
I was just confirming a suspicion that the Gen 3 N/A platform in a modern production car doesn't walk all over the muscle cars from yesteryear.
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And take into consideration the technical differences between the 2 eras and it's quite easy to see the original era muscle cars were quite impressive and quite simplistic and basic as to how they should be.
 
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