$2000 to do your own brakes! F YOU Hyundai!!!

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I knew the electronic parking brake would ******* cause issues, and no one listened. There is also plenty of history that they have, just ask the tow truck drivers. Now I'm learning that the auto manufacturers have taken it a step further with this vile scheme. Those greedy fucktards at Hyundai have decided that you should not be able to disengage the electronic parking while doing a brake job unless you pay for a 2,000 dollar adapter and be connected to the internet to use whatever scan tool you have the app on.


I know about some of the other cars that require you to have an internet connection just to get access to the information on the vehicle's computers. I find this kind of stuff ******* stupid, which is why I want none of this **** in my cars. Now we need to worry about doing simple maintenance, like brake pads and rotor replacement on these overpriced **** boxes. If I'm late to the party, I apologize, but this is still the shitty way things are going.

Now the question. Does anyone here have one of these newer Hyundai cars? I would like to find out if this electronic parking brake system can be disengaged without software. Can we safely defeat this anti-consumer setup on a brake caliper?
 
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Ant said:
WARNING! Strong language and cussing.

I knew the electronic parking brake would ******* cause issues, and no one listened. There is also plenty of history that they have, just ask the tow truck drivers. Now I'm learning that the auto manufacturers have taken it a step further with this vile scheme. Those greedy fucktards at Hyundai have decided that you should not be able to disengage the electronic parking while doing a brake job unless you pay for a 2,000 dollar app and be connected to the internet to use whatever scan tool you have the app on.


I know about some of the other cars that require you to have an internet connection just to get access to the information on the vehicle's computers. I find this kind of stuff ******* stupid, which is why I want none of this **** in my cars. Now we need to worry about doing simple maintenance, like brake pads and rotor replacement on these overpriced **** boxes. If I'm late to the party, I apologize, but this is still the shitty way things are going.

Now the question. Does anyone here have one of these newer Hyundai cars? I would like to find out if this electronic parking brake system can be disengaged without software. Can we safely defeat this anti-consumer setup on a brake caliper?
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Lewis Rossman is a national hero.
 
Hey! For a grand more you can install a custom Ford 9 or MoPar 8-3/4 from Moser. Jack out a tunnel and touch to install a small block right quick.
 
Wifes 2015 Elantra has been a great car but 360kms on the body(warranty engine at 250,000), it won't last forever. Lori's mom who lived with us passed away and she had a 2016 Ford Escape with 59,000 kms. Lori's the executor, so I told her to "buy" it. She doesn't want to, and is looking at another Kia possibly. Im hoping she goes for "new-ish" 2018-2022. Her Kia was still running great at 500,000 kms.
Thanks for posting, these will be questions I ask IF she decides to sell/trade the Escape.
 
I've heard you can apply 12V and back the thing out manually, then reset via battery disconnect. I can't confirm the truth to that, I don't work on bullshit.
 
Hyundai's official response

"Hyundai is committed to supporting both our dealer network and independent repair facilities with safe, secure, and accessible service solutions. For vehicles equipped with electronic parking brakes, including the Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 5 N, the official repair procedure requires placing the rear calipers in service mode using either our Global Diagnostic System (GDS) or the J2534 application. This ensures proper functionality and customer safety. Hyundai recently expanded access through an update to our J2534 application, enabling aftermarket users to perform functions previously restricted by the GDS secure gateway. While authentication through NASTF is required for sensitive operations, this step helps maintain security and accountability. Our official dealer tool (GDS) is also available for purchase by anyone.

Hyundai is actively exploring ways to make routine maintenance easier for all customers while upholding safety standards.

“We appreciate the interest in DIY repairs and will continue working toward solutions that balance convenience with security.”
 
4spdragtop said:
Wifes 2015 Elantra has been a great car but 360kms on the body(warranty engine at 250,000), it won't last forever. Lori's mom who lived with us passed away and she had a 2016 Ford Escape with 59,000 kms. Lori's the executor, so I told her to "buy" it. She doesn't want to, and is looking at another Kia possibly. Im hoping she goes for "new-ish" 2018-2022. Her Kia was still running great at 500,000 kms.
Thanks for posting, these will be questions I ask IF she decides to sell/trade the Escape.
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Buy the escape yourself.
 
Yup
Last I checked were still in the USA. NOT Japan or Korea. Those cars should not even be allowed on our roads. I'm beyond sick and tired of seeing more kids and Hyundai's on the road than dodges Chevy's and Ford's. Wouldn't have one even if for free---- and that "free" included ALL maintenance, insurance and fuel. I don't even want one in my driveway long enough for say a pizza delivery
 
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Now, how long's it going to be before someone put off fixing their brakes, and end up crashing into a bunch of people just because they couldn't afford the job?
 
We went through all this crap before. Prior to 1996, all manufacturers used their own software. The small shops couldn't afford to buy all these programs. It wound up in court, and the government ruled for the little guy for a change. That resulted in all vehicles using OBDII. I'm betting the same thing will happen again.
 
Along the same lines, manufacturers killing off manual transmissions saying auto is SO much better, to lead the public into being comfortable having everything done for them.
 
I think Subeys use a motor that actually still pulls cables, but most VW's & others are direct integrated motor/caliper units. Ultimately, they have been 12v motors, if You can jump it that's what I've always done. New ones may be different/less accessible, I quit there almost 4yrs.&4mos. ago, & My buddy José just left for Lexus. If there are more than 2 wires to the unit, they may have incorporated position sensors, so at a minimum You'd have to ID which is which if the wire gauge doesn't make it obvious.
Check the clearance/drag before retracting the pistons, then duplicate that after the new pads are in, they move slow enough that it's pretty easy to bump them in/out to seat/set them. If there are position sensors, & the PCM/HECU's won't accept the retracted position, that's the FU part. I'm just glad I walked away from it, almost full-time warranty BS, the avg. Joe has no f'ing idea how the techs are tracked & monitored by that company, at one point they were stating that it'd be mandatory to enter your SSN to sign in to perform diag. work,.....lol....We told management We'd all f'ing quit 'cause there's no way We're doing that ****.
Every few months it's mandatory to change passwords, if you take a week-2 weeks of vacay & don't log in over a 7+day period, you automatically have to change all your passwords.....like nuclear football codes were on the HMA Tech site....wtf...
 
jos51700 said:
Hyundai's official response

"Hyundai is committed to supporting both our dealer network and independent repair facilities with safe, secure, and accessible service solutions. For vehicles equipped with electronic parking brakes, including the Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 5 N, the official repair procedure requires placing the rear calipers in service mode using either our Global Diagnostic System (GDS) or the J2534 application. This ensures proper functionality and customer safety. Hyundai recently expanded access through an update to our J2534 application, enabling aftermarket users to perform functions previously restricted by the GDS secure gateway. While authentication through NASTF is required for sensitive operations, this step helps maintain security and accountability. Our official dealer tool (GDS) is also available for purchase by anyone.

Hyundai is actively exploring ways to make routine maintenance easier for all customers while upholding safety standards.

“We appreciate the interest in DIY repairs and will continue working toward solutions that balance convenience with security.”
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Pretty much Hyundai's justification for making people bend over and giving a nasty rash.

I did some digging and I just keep finding things I don't like. Here is a statement on a forum and the requirement is having Windows 7. Like WTF!
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It turns out people might be able to get the equipment needed for much cheaper, but it's something that should not be necessary that is made necessary for whatever fucked up reason Hyundai has.
 
Killer6 said:
I think Subeys use a motor that actually still pulls cables, but most VW's & others are direct integrated motor/caliper units. Ultimately, they have been 12v motors, if You can jump it that's what I've always done. New ones may be different/less accessible, I quit there almost 4yrs.&4mos. ago, & My buddy José just left for Lexus. If there are more than 2 wires to the unit, they may have incorporated position sensors, so at a minimum You'd have to ID which is which if the wire gauge doesn't make it obvious.
Check the clearance/drag before retracting the pistons, then duplicate that after the new pads are in, they move slow enough that it's pretty easy to bump them in/out to seat/set them. If there are position sensors, & the PCM/HECU's won't accept the retracted position, that's the FU part. I'm just glad I walked away from it, almost full-time warranty BS, the avg. Joe has no f'ing idea how the techs are tracked & monitored by that company, at one point they were stating that it'd be mandatory to enter your SSN to sign in to perform diag. work,.....lol....We told management We'd all f'ing quit 'cause there's no way We're doing that ****.
Every few months it's mandatory to change passwords, if you take a week-2 weeks of vacay & don't log in over a 7+day period, you automatically have to change all your passwords.....like nuclear football codes were on the HMA Tech site....wtf...
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They wonder why there is an auto technician shortage. On top of **** pay, lack of good jobs and evolving book times that makes working flat rate unsustainable for the modern repair tech, this is more BS the already tired and hard working mechanics should not endure.

Thank you for sharing that.
 
4spdragtop said:
Why? That's a serious question, I have the Ram and Cuda. I hadn't thought of buying it, and its been babied.
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Why. Because you know it's condition and history.
The way you described it I'D buy it. (If it wasn't 2500 miles away)
I'm looking for something that gets good highway mileage, and enough room for me, the gf, and three gsd's.
 
Ant said:
WARNING! Strong language and cussing.

I knew the electronic parking brake would ******* cause issues, and no one listened. There is also plenty of history that they have, just ask the tow truck drivers. Now I'm learning that the auto manufacturers have taken it a step further with this vile scheme. Those greedy fucktards at Hyundai have decided that you should not be able to disengage the electronic parking while doing a brake job unless you pay for a 2,000 dollar adapter and be connected to the internet to use whatever scan tool you have the app on.


I know about some of the other cars that require you to have an internet connection just to get access to the information on the vehicle's computers. I find this kind of stuff ******* stupid, which is why I want none of this **** in my cars. Now we need to worry about doing simple maintenance, like brake pads and rotor replacement on these overpriced **** boxes. If I'm late to the party, I apologize, but this is still the shitty way things are going.

Now the question. Does anyone here have one of these newer Hyundai cars? I would like to find out if this electronic parking brake system can be disengaged without software. Can we safely defeat this anti-consumer setup on a brake caliper?
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Don't sweat it, underground hackers will come up with a $30 workaround in a few months.... They always do... Same with expensive computer programs; for every costly computer program there's ten bootleg programs that undercut it..
 

Ford's have had the electric parking brake on f150s since about 2018. I never thought I would see the day I would need a scanner for a basic brake job. I ha ve thousands into my snap on scanner and that's the entry level solus. I can't afford the higher models, I can barely afford this one. I just had to pay $600 for a damn update, usually that's $1200, but the snap off guy has a "sale" like once a year. He plugs the scanner in for less than 10 minutes and poof $600 gone.
Every handful of years they come out ean updated model, my original solus was not updateable past 2014, had to trade in and pay out the azz for the newer version. Besides what I originally paid for the red brick I originally had.
The shop has an autel and getting them to update takes more than an act of Congress to accomplish, (and I work for state govt)
We have mostly Ford's though they claim to have bought some of those ioniq cars which shouldn't be allowed since Hyundai isn't even an American company
We have some Chevy, and extremely few dodges and I can't even pull codes on any Dodge newer than 2017 without paying MORE for some "security gateway" clearance.... Talk about W T F... We can't touch them with the autel either. The only Dodge truck we have come thru is a 2020 and we had to farm it out just to pull codes for the check engine light.
I wonder how far reaching the John Deere right to repair lawsuits will carry into cars and trucks
I want OUT but am too old to jump jobs and change professions but can't retire for 9 more years. Fixing these things definitely isn't fun like it used to be
 
My wife has had real good luck with hyundais.

IMO there should be a service mode release in the car's setup menu, accessible from the dash (but not while in motion).

I'm a huge proponent of the "right to repair" movement.

Making it cost extra to fix stuff you own, on your own should be federally illegal.
 
On my 2015 Renegade the "docking clamps" as I call them, can be released (or engaged) at any time, with the button.
 
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