That wasn't the car's fault. That was Dodge's fault. The reason the Dart failed is because Dodge offered nothing different from every other car in its class. It was just like everything else. They were decent little boring cars.
Stellantis "ghosting" Chrysler
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spot on
now, could Dodge brand be saved?
I sadly doubt it.
they killed srt, viper in quest of **** box cars with 25 turbos on a 10 hp briggs
with a fake sound system
how absolutely insulting. it pisses me off to no end
mopar built out national security
missles, national labs, aircraft,
all at the drop of a hat
thats why gm and ford hated mopar
nhra, nascar,... all hated mopar (us) too
I could rant for hours with examples
gas turbine???
The Neon was a good car and sold reasonably well.
I was shocked when the Dart didn't sell as well, despite being a decent car with a retro name.
The only marketing I remember was- "now it has racetrack tail lights, like the Charger".
New neighbor around the corner has three 1.4 turbo Darts.
Haven't talked to them yet, but did drive by in my 1.4 t Renegade and spool it up.
jos51700
Green Bearing thread connoisseur
Gotta disagree a lil bit, Benz wanted the huge pile of cash Chrysler was sitting on. They sold Jeep with the rest
From what I have heard, the Pacificas are a pile of crap. Trouble with the electronics and the blow head gaskets and motors. One of our friends had a pretty new Pacifica that need a new motor at 100k.
The Chrysler six cylinders used to be rock solid in the caravan days. What did they do to screw them up?
The Chrysler six cylinders used to be rock solid in the caravan days. What did they do to screw them up?
As far as I'm concerned, Chrysler deserves to crash and burn and go straight to hell. They FUCKED us for 27 years with NO rear wheel drive V8 pony car. That set them back in ways they never recovered from. Then, they FUCKED us again by just giving completely UP on performance parts for our old cars that got them to the top where they once were. We don't have anything now. I'm not gonna be loyal to them when all they've done is FUCKED our eyeballs out. Sorry, that's how I see it and that's how it is. I hope Stellantis dumps them in the toilet. Ram, Jeep and all. To hell with them.
Tell us how you really feel.
MB was the guilty party there.
The brief stint with Ferrari was enough to get me back in and buy a newer model vehicle.
It's been a good one. Both fun to drive and very efficient, with no major repairs.
MB was the guilty party there.
The brief stint with Ferrari was enough to get me back in and buy a newer model vehicle.
It's been a good one. Both fun to drive and very efficient, with no major repairs.
My daughter has a 2022 Jeep Renegade (Italian made) there is a little speaker in the dash cluster that is not soldered in but rather pressed in to The PCB and touches contacts.
her car is still under warrantee (extended Chrysler warrantee) BUT they can't change the speaker in the dealership. They have to send the cluster to an AUTHORIZED repair facility, 1-6 week turn around and they will not give her a loaner in the mean time.
The most challenging thing about it is to remove the bezel to remove the screws to remove the cluster
her car is still under warrantee (extended Chrysler warrantee) BUT they can't change the speaker in the dealership. They have to send the cluster to an AUTHORIZED repair facility, 1-6 week turn around and they will not give her a loaner in the mean time.
The most challenging thing about it is to remove the bezel to remove the screws to remove the cluster
No but it's the noisemaker for all things. The repair itself is simple the getting the cluster out might be more challenging.
Worst part of you put a different cluster in it semi bricks the car.
Map63Vette
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Dodge was painted into a corner that it really had no way out of. People whined at them for years because the Chargers and Challengers were practically etched out of stone because the chassis they were based on was so old. They waited to renew them until they didn't have much choice (emissions potentially killing the V8), so people moan at them for trying to up the technology game and making EVs and turbo 6s. Yes, I realize other brands still have V8s, so there must be ways to make it work, but the Hemi's greatest benefit is also its biggest disadvantage when it comes to emissions. It flows so well and freely from intake to exhaust that it likes to blow fresh air and fuel right through the cylinder. So people cussed them out for leaving stuff the same and cussed them out when they tried to make something new. People were cussing out the Hemi left and right with cam issues as well, which I'm not sure really made any sense. Nothing about that design changed significantly from the original 3rd gen as I understand it, so it was very likely just a materials issue.
Anyway, all that aside, what I've always said is that Chrysler used to be the technological leader back in its day. Stuff like the Airflow and a lot of options that we take for granted today were originally designed by Chrysler. Position them as the EV and fancy tech brand and let Dodge keep the old school appeal. That keeps both brands alive in a way that suits their history. Move the EV Charger over to the Chrysler lineup with a different body on it and leave gas engines in the Dodge product. It could maybe even be the same chassis to cut costs, though it's hard to make a really good EV if you don't design the whole car around it.
Anyway, all that aside, what I've always said is that Chrysler used to be the technological leader back in its day. Stuff like the Airflow and a lot of options that we take for granted today were originally designed by Chrysler. Position them as the EV and fancy tech brand and let Dodge keep the old school appeal. That keeps both brands alive in a way that suits their history. Move the EV Charger over to the Chrysler lineup with a different body on it and leave gas engines in the Dodge product. It could maybe even be the same chassis to cut costs, though it's hard to make a really good EV if you don't design the whole car around it.
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That's not a terrible idea.
Agree, Mopar guys loved to bash whatever incarnation of Chrysler for both opposite ends.
-You don't have a RWD car-
Here's a Charger.
-You don't have a 2 door.
Here's a Challenger.
-It's not a 2 door Charger.
It's on the same platform.
-It's not a Charger.
Here's a 2 door Charger.
-It's electric, I won't buy it.
It's got 700 HP.
-It's electric, I won't buy it.
Here's a gas one.
-It's a six cylinder, I won't buy it.
It's got 700 HP.
-It's a six cylinder, I won't buy it.
Agree, Mopar guys loved to bash whatever incarnation of Chrysler for both opposite ends.
-You don't have a RWD car-
Here's a Charger.
-You don't have a 2 door.
Here's a Challenger.
-It's not a 2 door Charger.
It's on the same platform.
-It's not a Charger.
Here's a 2 door Charger.
-It's electric, I won't buy it.
It's got 700 HP.
-It's electric, I won't buy it.
Here's a gas one.
-It's a six cylinder, I won't buy it.
It's got 700 HP.
-It's a six cylinder, I won't buy it.
The super intelligent Eurotrash will educate us stupid Americans on what cars we should overpay for!
Map63Vette
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I know I'm the minority, but I actually kinda like the Charger EV. I think it looks great, though I do agree that it's weird to not have one with a V8. At least they didn't completely ruin the styling while also messing with the drivetrain. I'm more and more tempted every day to pick one up dirt cheap since no one else likes them just to have a nice commuter car when I want something different. There's a Daytona Scat Pack near me (550+ hp) for only $30k or something like that and it doesn't even have 1500 miles I believe. So basically a brand new car for half price that would make a pretty nice daily I imagine.
Those are all reasons I saw on either FABO or FBBO.
I could afford to buy one but I won't because-
A- I don't buy new cars, I buy 2-3 year old cars and save tens of thousands of dollars
and
B- I don't fit in them. I'm not sure why they can't build a car that fits my long spine frame, Hyundai can, and they are much smaller cars. 60's and 70's Mopars used to have the best headroom of all three US brands. The exception is the traditional Jeep (I don't need 4WD) and the Renegade. And, I did buy a Renegade...a 2 year old one.
redchihuahua2004
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My opinions only...
When the Challenger, 300, and previous generation Charger ceased production a few years ago, the second heyday of Dodge/Mopar/Chrysler ended in my opinion. (The first heyday was the original musclecar era of the 60's and early 70's.)
We've been hearing about all these exciting new vehicles coming to Chrysler and Dodge for probably the last 15 years only to end up with an unreliable minivan (Pacifica), a rebadged Alfa crossover (Hornet), a Tesla Plaid wannabe (Charger Daytona), and BMW M-series wannabe (Charger Scat Pack).
The only bright spots that I see in all of this is would be the trucks are going strong and the Durango is somehow hanging on.
(I didn't mention Jeep in all of this because I see that brand as its own entity and not truly part of the traditional Chrysler Corp.)
I don't expect anything else good to come from stellantis with regards to the Dodge or Chrysler brands, unfortunately.
When the Challenger, 300, and previous generation Charger ceased production a few years ago, the second heyday of Dodge/Mopar/Chrysler ended in my opinion. (The first heyday was the original musclecar era of the 60's and early 70's.)
We've been hearing about all these exciting new vehicles coming to Chrysler and Dodge for probably the last 15 years only to end up with an unreliable minivan (Pacifica), a rebadged Alfa crossover (Hornet), a Tesla Plaid wannabe (Charger Daytona), and BMW M-series wannabe (Charger Scat Pack).
The only bright spots that I see in all of this is would be the trucks are going strong and the Durango is somehow hanging on.
(I didn't mention Jeep in all of this because I see that brand as its own entity and not truly part of the traditional Chrysler Corp.)
I don't expect anything else good to come from stellantis with regards to the Dodge or Chrysler brands, unfortunately.
People are buying SUVs, trucks, crossovers and sedans. Jeep covers the SUV and crossovers. I think its pretty hard to get into the sedan market when you are competing with cars like Toyota Camry and Honda Civic who have had the same model for decades.
340six
King Of Bling
I say there's a market for low tech pickup trucks.
Build some at stripper model prices. Analog gauges. No power windows or locks. Think 1980ish. Hell my Dodge 1994 2500HD only options was A/C (heat) AM/FM (not sure if cassette was still a thing) but no CD.
Auto, Power Stearing and Brakes ( disk - drum).
You rolled windows with a crank, pulled locks open. Keys in dash. Vinyl seats with rubber mat.
There are lots of guys in trades that need a full size stripper truck. Only the boss needs a $80K cowboy caddy.
Get cost down on 1/2 and 3/4 ton low option and they will sell. Maybe a mid-size car like that too.
All that fancy crap brakes as well as driving cost up. The old deal of keep it simple comes to mind.
This kind of stuff is EXACTLY why I looked for and bought a super low mile 2006 300C with a Hemi. They can shove their over complicated electronic whiz bang $60,000 p.o.s.
The 300C I bought doesn't even have a digital speedometer and I don't miss it.
The 300C I bought doesn't even have a digital speedometer and I don't miss it.
DionR
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I for one am glad that Dodge did what they did with the LX/LC cars. I will never own one, but the idea that you could buy a 1000+ hp Challenger, let alone the (now) lowly 707 hp Hellcat was so cool.
I still remember the hype when Dodge released the rated hp on the Hellcat back in 2014 or so. I was blown away and thought 707 was such overkill that we were seeing the end of the horsepower wars. Then we got the Redeye, the Demon, the Super Stock, the Demon 170, etc. Sure, there were games with stuff and they weren’t all of the car I wanted (too heavy), but darned if I don’t still want one.
And that doesn’t count the Trackhawk, TRX, Hellcat Durango, etc. Dodge really seemed to live by the moto “Hellcat the world”. Can’t wait to see what they do with the returning TRX.
Not going to lie, I wish they had built a smaller, RWD something that didn’t weight 3600#. Even a hopped up late model Dart SRT4 would have been sweet.
At the same, I think the last generation of Camaro died because it was so small it wasn’t usable. I think that’s why the Challenger sold as well as it did, while it was heavy it had interior room and trunk space neither of the other two makes did.
All that to say, while Dodge/Chrysler didn’t hit my targets, I am appreciative of what they did do before changing directions.
I still remember the hype when Dodge released the rated hp on the Hellcat back in 2014 or so. I was blown away and thought 707 was such overkill that we were seeing the end of the horsepower wars. Then we got the Redeye, the Demon, the Super Stock, the Demon 170, etc. Sure, there were games with stuff and they weren’t all of the car I wanted (too heavy), but darned if I don’t still want one.
And that doesn’t count the Trackhawk, TRX, Hellcat Durango, etc. Dodge really seemed to live by the moto “Hellcat the world”. Can’t wait to see what they do with the returning TRX.
Not going to lie, I wish they had built a smaller, RWD something that didn’t weight 3600#. Even a hopped up late model Dart SRT4 would have been sweet.
At the same, I think the last generation of Camaro died because it was so small it wasn’t usable. I think that’s why the Challenger sold as well as it did, while it was heavy it had interior room and trunk space neither of the other two makes did.
All that to say, while Dodge/Chrysler didn’t hit my targets, I am appreciative of what they did do before changing directions.
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