1967 Match Race ~ Barracuda 383/280 HP vs. Mustang GT 390/320 HP

[69 Cuda 440]

1967 Match Race

1967 Plymouth Barracuda 383/280 HP
vs.
1967 Ford Mustang GT 390/320 HP

Lets take a look...........

 

[412 Stroker]

Was there supposed to be a link or something??

 

[69 Cuda 440]

1967 Model Year

................................................................Shipping Weights.....NHRA Class

Barracuda 'Fastback' ~ 383/280 HP........... #3202 lbs. .............. C/S = {10.60 to 11.29 Wt/Hp}

Mustang GT 'Fastback' ~ 390/320 HP........ #3155 lbs. .............. B/S = {9.50 to 10.59 Wt/Hp}

Both cars were 'Test Driven' by Performance Car Magazine's, and with each car running.....15.20 @ 91 MPH

 

[Abodybomber]

Unless there was a class legal upgrade for the 390,going with the Cuda.......

 

[69 Cuda 440]

Unless there was a class legal upgrade for the 390,going with the Cuda.......

The Mustang..... #3155 lbs. ~ 320 HP = 9.86 Wt/Hp

The Barracuda... #3202 lbs. ~ 280 HP = 11.44 Wt/Hp

But wait,

The NHRA re-factored the 383/280 HP to {300 HP in 1967}, as they believed Mopar
was trying to pull a 'fast one' to get the Barracuda 'Fastback' {383/280 HP} in D/Stock
where it would have devoured the competition.

Yes, the NHRA 're-factored' >

The Barracuda... #3202 lbs. ~ 300 HP = 10.67 Wt/Hp

 

[tekslk]

No one could drive the mustang the cuda won 9 out of 10.

 

[69 Cuda 440]

Both the 1967

Mopar 383/280 HP and Ford 390/320 HP were low-revving 'slugs'.

* Under-Cammed
* Weak Valve-Springs
* Poor Flowing Intake Manifold
* Under-Carbed
* Restrictive Exhaust

 

[Abodybomber]

Both the 1967

Mopar 383/280 HP and Ford 390/325 HP were low-revving 'slugs'.

* Under-Cammed
* Weak Valve-Springs
* Poor Flowing Intake Manifold
* Under-Carbed
* Restrictive Exhaust

Sir, that 's the understement of the century........

 

[67autocross]

As long as a Honda civic is not at the same light with them it should be a good race...

 

[bad440]

Lol...

 

[H20loo]

They didn't have a civic back then-it was a N360 that was replaced by the civic In the 70s It's 1/4 mile time was about 30 seconds, probably the same as a Schwinn.
And yes out of the box the 383 and 390 were not amazing but it didn't take long for us toget them breathing better.

 

[340sFastback]

I went for a ride once in a '67 383 4 spd barracuda. Fully rebuilt eng/trans/rear built to stock specs. It was slow a stock early 340 a-body would pull right ahead of one of those cars. Those cars are a great foundation for a 400 block stroked....

 

[318willrun]

My experience with a stock 383 was in a 1968 Plymouth Fury III 4 door hardtop. All original, and the build sheet under the seat. The build sheet stated it was ordered with the police package, though never a squad car. The package included the "commando" 383, disc brakes, dual exhaust and dual mirrors. The car ran 15.17 at over 4100 lbs without driver and 1/4 tank of gas and no spare or jack. It had 3.23 gears. We put a Weiand action plus intake and 750 holley on it along with 3.55 and it ran 14.70's. Not bad for well over 2 tons of fun

 

[69 Cuda 440]

1967 Barracuda 383 {280 HP}

Unfortunately it sounded like the Mufflers were filled with Mashed Potato's.

Restrictive Exhaust..........YIKES

And that Carter AFB {rated at 575 CFM's} with factory installed smaller jets.........

And the Factory only offering the 67' Barracuda 383 with {3.23 Gears}.

 

[stan marshall]

I bought 1969 a 340 forulma s 4 speed fastback in oct of 1968. There was not
many cars that would come near it. Mustangs 390&351s were not even close.
383 cudas were not only slower but they did not handle as well. My friend had a
mach 1 with a 428 and 410 gears and i never did beat him.
Another friend of mine was a sheet metal man. He made 14"by4" scoops that i put under my front bumper and ran 4" dryer hose to my carb. That and a cd ignition
from jc whittney made it at least 1/2 sec faster in the qt mile. I sold it for
$500. When it was still in good condition.
Stan

 

[MRGTX]

Both the 1967

Mopar 383/280 HP and Ford 390/325 HP were low-revving 'slugs'.

* Under-Cammed
* Weak Valve-Springs
* Poor Flowing Intake Manifold
* Under-Carbed
* Restrictive Exhaust

So you're saying tha Frank Bullitt would have had a tough time with a '68 Charger R/T?

 

[69 Cuda 440]

Mr. GTX,

The only way 'Frank Bullit' could catch that 1968 'Charger 440'........

Was if it was 'parked'........ or if it was driven into some Gas Pumps.

 

[MRGTX]

Mr. GTX,

The only way 'Frank Bullit' could catch that 1968 'Charger 440'........

Was if it was 'parked'........ or if it was driven into some Gas Pumps.

Yep. That sounds about right.

I was given a thorough lecture on this fact before I was allowed to watch the movie when I was a kid.

 

[69 Cuda 440]

1967 Ford Mustang GT {390/320 HP}

Shipping Weight....................... #3155 lbs.

Weight Distribution.....
Front........................... 60.3% = {1901 lbs.}
Back............................ 39.7% = {1254 lbs.}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Compared to;

1967 Mustang GT {289/271 HP } 'K-Code'....... #2930 lbs.

 

[69 Cuda 440]

Some Specifications

1967 Ford Mustang GT 390 {320 HP}

* Cast Iron Intake Manifold {#C6A-E}........... #85 lbs.

* Holley Carburetor {Model #4150}.............. 600 CFM
* Throttle Bore Sizes................................... 1 9/16" x 1 9/16"
* Venturi Sizes........................................... 1.250" x 1.313"

* Cylinder Head {#C6OE-A}........................ 63. 6 CC's
* Intake Valve........................................... 2.037"
* Exhaust Valve......................................... 1.537"

* Compression........................................... 10.5-1 {Flat w/Notches}

* Camshaft {Hydraulic}.............................. .481" / .490" Lift
* Duration................................................. 270* / 290*
* Overlap.................................................. 44*

* 320 Horsepower @ 4800 RPM's
* 425 Ft./Lbs. of Torque @ 4200 RPM's

 

[69 Cuda 440]

High Performance Car Review

* 1967 Barracuda 383........................1967 Ford Mustang GT 390

* Restrictive Exhaust System................. Restrictive Valve Passages
* Good Low-End Torque........................ Good Low-End Torque
* Lacking Response at Top-End.............. Not Too Much on Top-End
* Undersized Carburetor....................... Restrictive Intake Manifold Hindered Breathing
* Weak Valve Springs Limit RPM's.......... Hydraulic-Lifters Limit Attainable RPM's

* Only Available with 3.23 Gears............ Available with 3.00 / 3.25 / 3.50 Gears

* 4-Speed....... 15.20's @ 92 MPH ......... 15.30's @ 91 MPH
* Automatic.....15.40's @ 90 MPH........... 15.50's @ 89 MPH

 

[69 Cuda 440]

According to Plymouth Experts,

1967 Plymouth Barracuda 383

Was purposely delivered with a low 280 Horsepower Rating, with a 'detuned version'.

 

[69 Cuda 440]

G-T,

If you read into some of the late-1966 Performance Magazines, Plymouth purposely de-tuned the 383 in the Barracuda.

It was a 'concerted effort' to get the 1967 'Fastback' classed in NHRA D/Stock {11.30 to 11.88 Wt/HP}

The low {280 Horsepower Rating} actually put the Fastback and Convertible in D/Stock for 1967.

But in January 1967, the NHRA re-rated the 383/280 HP to 300 HP.

That put the 1967 Barracuda 383/280 HP {300 HP re-factored} into C/Stock.

Note; A 'true' 1967 383/325 HP Engine would have put the Barracuda in {B/Stock} in 1967, where it
would have 'Zero Chance' in Stock Class.

 

[UDUST81]

So you're saying tha Frank Bullitt would have had a tough time with a '68 Charger R/T?

yeah if you ever look up stuff from the movie the directors even state that they had to have the charger sandbang the whole chase just so the mustang could keep up check this out http://www.motortrend.com/classic/f...earls_top_10_movie_cars_in_a_supporting_role/
:burnout:

 

[Jarlaxle]

Didn't the A-body 383 use the 2bbl cam?