1977 5.2l 318 not running right

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77dodgeman

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it’s my first vehicle and i only got it no more than two weeks ago, and i replaced all the bad parts that i was aware of, there still a couple of leaks i have to find and do but she was running she still is but very rough, she’s starting dying out on hill and taking a lot of fuel and quick start spray to get going, any advice, input, or help is very much appreciated

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see that big ol' loop in the fuel line? get rid of that.

where's your fuel filter?

have you replaced the sending unit/pick up in the tank yet? along with refreshing the soft lines back there.

that's my WASG to start.

from there we need moar info. you do a compression check? leak down test? i see a new cap and wires, i'm guessing you did plugs. what're the rest of the details on the ignition system- distributor, rotor, ECU, ballast.

have you checked for any vacuum leaks?
 
Congrats on the van!! It's probably something small, like a plugged fuel filter or something. The fuel filter is under the chassis. Start with the easiest and cheapest items to replace and go from there. You'll get a lot of good suggestions.
 
1977?
Okay, my first thought is that it shows the classic "Lean Burn" system issues- but since the pics show a distributor with a vacuum can on it and the addition of a non-feedback carb, I'll assume the factory Lean Burn system has been removed. But maybe not correctly. A correct removal involves not only the elimination of the air cleaner mounted electronic (rudimentary computer) engine controls, but the rerouting and/or elimination of vacuum lines and components (to a pre-emissions configuration) and modification of the wiring harness to accommodate the different style ignition system. Failure to do so will cause all manner of driveability issues, especially if the replacement systems were not installed correctly.
Best thing I can recommend is spending a few evenings with the Factory Service Manuals for your '77 and one from about '73, comparing the original wiring diagrams to the earlier model. Then make the necessary adjustments/modifications to bring it to a uniform pre-emission configuration.
 
1977?
Okay, my first thought is that it shows the classic "Lean Burn" system issues- but since the pics show a distributor with a vacuum can on it and the addition of a non-feedback carb, I'll assume the factory Lean Burn system has been removed. But maybe not correctly. A correct removal involves not only the elimination of the air cleaner mounted electronic (rudimentary computer) engine controls, but the rerouting and/or elimination of vacuum lines and components (to a pre-emissions configuration) and modification of the wiring harness to accommodate the different style ignition system. Failure to do so will cause all manner of driveability issues.
Best thing I can recommend is spending a few evenings with the Factory Service Manuals for your '77 and one from about '73, comparing the original wiring diagrams to the earlier model. Then make the necessary adjustments/modifications to bring it to a uniform pre-emission configuration.
My '77 van doesn't have lean burn either, came just like his
 
My '77 van doesn't have lean burn either, came just like his
:thumbsup: It's a van? Didn't see that- guess I should have looked closer at the pics with the frame and suspension in them! I know Lean burn started in '76- maybe trucks/vans didn't get it right away (or at all).
 
:thumbsup: It's a van? Didn't see that- guess I should have looked closer at the pics with the frame and suspension in them! I know Lean burn started in '76- maybe trucks/vans didn't get it right away (or at all).
First picture at a glance - van!
  1. oil fill tube
  2. throttle linkage (not cable) and goes to the front
  3. trans tube has the "light wire" on it.
  4. also, no other vehicle will allow that picture... straight down on the bell housing/engine, Dog House being removed!! (you can see the dog house seal around the bay)
VAN!
:thumbsup:
(but then... I own 2 of them so they jump out at me... LOL)
 
First picture at a glance - van!
  1. oil fill tube
  2. throttle linkage (not cable) and goes to the front
  3. trans tube has the "light wire" on it.
  4. also, no other vehicle will allow that picture... straight down on the bell housing/engine, Dog House being removed!! (you can see the dog house seal around the bay)
VAN!
:thumbsup:
(but then... I own 2 of them so they jump out at me... LOL)
Proves how many vans I've worked on in the past dozen years or so!
Guess I gloss over some details sometimes- still wrapping my head around some recent pics of a 318 in a Payloader!
 
This is like saying "help my truck is blue". How do we know what all you've done if you don't tell us?

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This is like saying "help my truck is blue". How do we know what all you've done if you don't tell us?

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I see...... I see a new fuel pump. I see.. a new alternator!.... I see... I see... a newer carburetor. I see.. a new coil and plug wires!. I see ... I see in your near future you reading this post. Now, my mind is tired... LOL
 
I see...... I see a new fuel pump. I see.. a new alternator!.... I see... I see... a newer carburetor. I see.. a new coil. I see ... I see in your near future you reading this post. LOL
No thanks. If I have to WORK to get answers, it ain't happenin. lol
 
Well if RRR is out,
then;
>Your first pick shows some strange vacuum-line routing. But I'm not real familiar with vans. Nevertheless, that looks wonky.
The one from the manifold to the float bowl has got to go. The Float-bowl has to be vented to atmosphere, while running. This is non-negotiable.
The PCV should be running to the front of the carb and entering just below the throttle valves. Yours may have some funky routing between the two halves, making yours correct IDK, but to me, I don't like not knowing. If in fact it is sucking from the back side of the throttle plate, I can almost guarantee an off-idle sag. If the front is routed to the PB booster then for sure you're gonna have trouble.
IMO, if it was mine, I would run the PB booster to that rear nipple, and put the PCV back on the front where it belongs.
The VA at least, looks right.

>My guess is that your rear jumper hose from sender to hard line, is sucking air, and the carb is just running out of gas. If you already replaced that rear jumper, great; now double-up the screw-clamps..... unless you are using the factory original band-clamps on regular gas-line. If yur using EFI line, double-clamp it.
This line, being higher than the tank, will not leak fuel. When the pump sucks air there, it will eventually lose it's prime, the carb will dry up, and you will think you got a bad pump, but, humor me; just double-clamp both ends, actually, all ends on the suction side..

>As for the loop in the supply line at the pump;
On my car, I've been running it like that since 1999, in the same way to a mechanical pump. However, on mine, using EFI line, I had to double up the clamps, rotating them 180* to get the pump to stop sucking air. From the pump to the carb is all hard line, my filter is at the back.

Happy HotRodding
 
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i dunno man... i guess. but anybody that buys a van as their first set of wheels is clearly not right in the head.

and jury is still out on you...
:lol:
Jury will stay out .. cuz' they're in the back of my van... doorz are wide open and the pizza is great!
 
The first thing you should have done before throwing ANY money at it was run a compression test. That will tell you if it's worth spending money on or if it needs some mechanical repair. ALL the big auto parts stores will rent you a compression tester and give your money back when you return it.
 
A lot of good suggestions here to try. Being this is your first vehicle, & I know vans are kind of difficult to work on with some things, if you did install new spark plugs, make sure you didn't accidently crack any of the porcelain on installation, it would cause a misfire & rough running problem. I pull the wires out of the cap 1 by 1 when its running to see where the bad cylinders are if you don't mind, MAYBE, getting a little shock doing it. It won't be hard doing that on a small block van with the engine cover off. Just my 2 cents.
 
see that big ol' loop in the fuel line? get rid of that.

where's your fuel filter?

have you replaced the sending unit/pick up in the tank yet? along with refreshing the soft lines back there.

that's my WASG to start.

from there we need moar info. you do a compression check? leak down test? i see a new cap and wires, i'm guessing you did plugs. what're the rest of the details on the ignition system- distributor, rotor, ECU, ballast.

have you checked for any vacuum leaks?
I agree. It appears someone eliminated the fuel filter and replaced it with a loop of hose. Where that loop is, is ABOUT where the fuel filter goes. I BELIEVE it came with one of those return style filters that returned back to the tank, so there should be a return line close by, unless someone eliminated that as well.
 

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