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Alright, i spoke with some vendors regarding upgrades on this 318.

Crutchfield says firing order when added together should always be 36dB. I'm not sure what he means by that, but wouldn't anything less or more than a V8 be wrong? like v6 and inline 4 engines? I'm confused on that statement.

when speaking with summit racing, i told them about the 7803 timing kit, and advancing the crank 4 degrees. It was praised it was a great idea and it'll help me get closer to the compression ratio of 14.7:1 with the difference of intake duration and opening, which is needed to burn regular fuel without spark knock using a performance thermostat of 290*F. And apparently i'll need to run straight antifreeze, or upgrade to steel radiator hoses for boil pressure, which i thought was weird. Am i supposed to use unions or something??? At that point go oring boss or JIC? Seems reinventing the wheel on that one.

Anyways, from the timing advance, i was having starting issues when cold. So i got on the horn with Jegs, and speaking with one of those techs, he made two suggestions, and they should be followed together.

1, i should upgrade my starter to something that is lower RPM, especially with a battery having low voltage, since the altimiter isn't charging during cranking. A cold engine needs to turn over slower to give the cold fuel time to burn.

and 2, i'm supposed to run spark plugs that are a big longer, they almost have to touch the face of the piston @ TDC (apparently when cold, they will set themselves into the piston face once hot, almost like bedding new brake pads to a rotor), so they protrude further into the chamber for better spark reach, and when the engine does get running and hot, the ends will glow and help burn the fuel like glow plugs in a nitromethane model toy engine.

What's your guys opinion? I think for all this stuff to get an extra 15 ponies, i may as well just go with a 440 or something. Seems like less work, and far less complicated.
 
I think we need to start at the beginning, so you want to build a 318 what do have and what are you trying to do with it? How do you plan on using this car ?
 
I don't know about you but the OP's post seems like a mess of information, figure might be easier with some back ground info.
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c'mon man. literally the only thing missing from this dude's word salad of a post is "piston return springs".
That was my problem I thought joke was about me lol.

Ya that's why I wanted him to start from the beginning :)
 
They say I hate 318s so .......... install a 1.8 Jetta TDI-turbo and call it done, I hear those can go 500,000 miles.
>but failing that, they also say you can bore a 318 out to 4.04; and stroke it to 4inches. Well; They say not all of them
I got a 68 and a 69, one of them might work; call me; 1-800-555-318s rule!
no low-ball offers, I know what I got ........ lol
 
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I think we need to start at the beginning, so you want to build a 318 what do have and what are you trying to do with it? How do you plan on using this car ?
LOL.. you are programed. All humanistic behavior has left you when you log into FABO.
:lol:
 

Alright, i spoke with some vendors regarding upgrades on this 318.

Crutchfield says firing order when added together should always be 36dB. I'm not sure what he means by that, but wouldn't anything less or more than a V8 be wrong? like v6 and inline 4 engines? I'm confused on that statement.

when speaking with summit racing, i told them about the 7803 timing kit, and advancing the crank 4 degrees. It was praised it was a great idea and it'll help me get closer to the compression ratio of 14.7:1 with the difference of intake duration and opening, which is needed to burn regular fuel without spark knock using a performance thermostat of 290*F. And apparently i'll need to run straight antifreeze, or upgrade to steel radiator hoses for boil pressure, which i thought was weird. Am i supposed to use unions or something??? At that point go oring boss or JIC? Seems reinventing the wheel on that one.

Anyways, from the timing advance, i was having starting issues when cold. So i got on the horn with Jegs, and speaking with one of those techs, he made two suggestions, and they should be followed together.

1, i should upgrade my starter to something that is lower RPM, especially with a battery having low voltage, since the altimiter isn't charging during cranking. A cold engine needs to turn over slower to give the cold fuel time to burn.

and 2, i'm supposed to run spark plugs that are a big longer, they almost have to touch the face of the piston @ TDC (apparently when cold, they will set themselves into the piston face once hot, almost like bedding new brake pads to a rotor), so they protrude further into the chamber for better spark reach, and when the engine does get running and hot, the ends will glow and help burn the fuel like glow plugs in a nitromethane model toy engine.

What's your guys opinion? I think for all this stuff to get an extra 15 ponies, i may as well just go with a 440 or something. Seems like less work, and far less complicated.
What a convoluted unholy mess of unmitigated BS.
There is nothing in that entire post that makes a single iota of sense, especially coming from a "tech".
Crutchfield sells audio equipment. Since when do they offer advice on ignitions? And how the hell do you equate firing order to decibels?
Summit thinks advancing a crank 4* is a great idea?? Without mentioning degreeing the cam? (BTW, you advance/retard the cam, not the crank... and you ALWAYS need to degree the cam). And a SLOWER starter so the altimeter isn't charging? Is this a Mopar or a Piper Cub?
And Jegs wants you to "bed" the spark plugs into the pistons... that isn't an upgrade, that is automatic catastrophic failure.
Either you're not hearing what they're telling you correctly, or techs in general have hit a new low in even basic mechanical comprehension.
You have two choices:
Either stop taking meth before you call tech lines;
Or stop calling tech lines that have phone reps on acid.
Man, this isn't even April 1st...
 
If your only wanting a few more ponies for the cheapest out of pocket , JUST put HEMI spark plugs in it . Hell I thought everyone knew that ! :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :thankyou:
 
Alright, i spoke with some vendors regarding upgrades on this 318.

Crutchfield says firing order when added together should always be 36dB. I'm not sure what he means by that, but wouldn't anything less or more than a V8 be wrong? like v6 and inline 4 engines? I'm confused on that statement.

when speaking with summit racing, i told them about the 7803 timing kit, and advancing the crank 4 degrees. It was praised it was a great idea and it'll help me get closer to the compression ratio of 14.7:1 with the difference of intake duration and opening, which is needed to burn regular fuel without spark knock using a performance thermostat of 290*F. And apparently i'll need to run straight antifreeze, or upgrade to steel radiator hoses for boil pressure, which i thought was weird. Am i supposed to use unions or something??? At that point go oring boss or JIC? Seems reinventing the wheel on that one.

Anyways, from the timing advance, i was having starting issues when cold. So i got on the horn with Jegs, and speaking with one of those techs, he made two suggestions, and they should be followed together.

1, i should upgrade my starter to something that is lower RPM, especially with a battery having low voltage, since the altimiter isn't charging during cranking. A cold engine needs to turn over slower to give the cold fuel time to burn.

and 2, i'm supposed to run spark plugs that are a big longer, they almost have to touch the face of the piston @ TDC (apparently when cold, they will set themselves into the piston face once hot, almost like bedding new brake pads to a rotor), so they protrude further into the chamber for better spark reach, and when the engine does get running and hot, the ends will glow and help burn the fuel like glow plugs in a nitromethane model toy engine.

What's your guys opinion? I think for all this stuff to get an extra 15 ponies, i may as well just go with a 440 or something. Seems like less work, and far less complicated.
Ummmm......what?!?!
 
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