Like I said before when you and I look at the power curves between those two motors we see two different things.
I see what Freiburger, Richard Holden, you and others see, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that at every rpm point the 410 makes more torque and hp and view does have circumstances were it's applicable. But so does my view where you look from the hp perspective and see how much more rpm does engine B have to turn to make similar power as engine A now depending on the curves you might have to run a little more gear than you would with the larger engine.
In this case here this 376/410 you'd probably have to go one maybe two gear ratio deeper than what you'd put behind the 410 to be putting similar HP to the ground.
When considering the stated application, Freiburger's challenger,
This convo has never been about Freiburger's challenger, but all he has to do if he wants similar power to the ground at any given mph is to run a little more gear than he would've with the 410.
there is a clear choice between those two motors.
Only if your not willing run deeper gears, but people do all the time, why there's stock stroke 340/360 doing 11's 10's etc.. there not running a set of 3.23.
This isn't just my opinion it's the opinion of Steve Brule (of Westech who does this sort of thing for a living), Steve Dulcich ( Really needs no introduction here) and David Freiburger (ditto). Now, they don't always agree with each other but in this case the conclusion was instant and in unison, as soon as the graph pulled up. Even you said that this particular test was a bad example for the point you were trying to make.
I said it's a bad example because it's obviously hard for you to see the separate powerbands,
We can agree on that. So if you think your not getting anywhere trying to convince me that these to motors are an equal choice for Freiburger's challenger
Again I never was talking about his Challenger you want to shift the convo that way.
I've said 100 times now I'm talking about pure performance potential between these engine.
Not necessarily in a drag only situation, could be stop light to stop light, 0-60, 1/8, 1/4 mile etc.. do these engines have similar potential that's it nothing more.
Nothing else, like mpg, idle, vacuum, streetability, price, anything like that.
you could try contacting one of the three that did the test and convincing them that they unanimously came to the wrong conclusion. Who knows, maybe one of them will take it up as the subject for there next video.
Their way describing these engines potential is unfair to the viewer why, say you already have 367 built similar and now your like oh **** should I tear it apart go stroker those were some good gains, maybe but if they also explained you could get there with a little more gear now you might think that's the way to go. The guy can make a more informed decision, all I'm trying to get acrossed.
How many times does a similar scenario's come up here, with 318's, even with 340's/360's, 383 and 400's. People are always trying to push displacement, now I'm not saying displacement ain't a valid choice especially in a street car but generally if the guy is willing to run more gear he can get there too. I don't care which one he builds just give the guy the facts to make up his own mind.
