'68 Barracuda Power Steering Gear Box Problems

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Let's start at the beginning. Original steering gear (rebuilt once) worked perfectly, giving me the light fingertip steering that Mopars had back then. So the fan belt broke one day and the car overheated on the 2 mile trip home. Car drove fine after replacing the belt, but the power steering gear began to leak badly. My theory is that the overheat may have melted a seal in the gear, causing it to leak. So bought a reman gear from CarSteering.com and installed it. After bleeding and going for a test ride, the steering is so tight that it feels like almost no assist at all. Also, the steering will not re-center after a turn in either direction without me forcing it back. I have tried loosening the segment locknut and loosening the adjustment screw 3/4 turn, to no avail.
So the questions are:

Will the gear loosen up over time?

Is the amount of assist set during re-manufacturing to some "one size fits all" amount? And is it adjustable?

Is the reman unit defective?

Should I send them my original unit to re-build, or will I end up with the same stiff result?

It would seem to me that the no re-centering problem is downright dangerous! Please give me your thoughts on what to do.
 

whoa!
>Make sure the tire pressures are up!
>Check your suspension/steering systems first.
It sorta sounds to me like one or more joints/ends have seized up.
and make sure the Center-link is not rubbing on something.
This test sorta needs to be done at your normal ride height on turning plates.
>In 55 years of driving Mopars, I have never had an engine overheat cause a steering problem. Maybe check to see if your pump belt is slipping first, due to oil or coolant, on the belt.
>as for the leak, What and where exactly is it leaking from?
 
Thank you all for your replies. The reman unit from CarSteering is the second one I've tried, and turns almost as hard without the pitman arm connected, so that eliminates any binding linkage. The first reman I tried was from NAPA, and it had its own problems, steering easy to the right and like a tank to the left, as well as not returning to center in either direction. After much mopping up and retrial, I traced the leak in my original unit to what looks like a small weep hole on the lower side of the input shaft large threaded lock ring.
I sent my original unit to CarSteering for re-build BEFORE reading Professor Fate's comment (oops) and it's on its way back.
Any thoughts on a solution are appreciated!

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the power assist in one direction or the other on a mopar steering box is dictated by the Valve Assembly manifold position on the steering box, the bit that the pipes go into.
under it, there is a tiny direction lever/ jiggle pin, which dictates how much assist is diverted to left and right.
you need to balance the position of the valve assembly so that you get 50% for Right and 50% for left.
this can only be done with the box on the car and pressurised by the pump, which may well be slightly different pressure from any other pump, which may impact where the best position for the valve/manifold is. the position setting is unique to the situation.

This is part of the work to fit a new power steering box to the car
if it came with a valve/manifold fitted, good chance it won't be in the right place
if it didn't' and you just put yours on, there is a good chance it won't be in the right place
of course there is also a chance that it is and really you have a faulty steering box, but gotta tick all boxes and check everything :)

with the wheels off the ground and the engine running and you hands and feet and animals and children well away from the steering wheel or road wheels

undo the bolt for the valve/manifold part slightly and tap it 1 1/6 of an inch one way or the other,
this will cause more powerful assist one way and less powerful assist the other
knock it too far and the box will auto steer violently left or right and you would to have to physically fight it to go the other way. this is why nobody should be near the moving parts.

you are looking to position it so that with the engine running the steering stays centred.
Once done and only if you are not in DRIVE, give it a rev, if the increased pressure seen at the steering box due to higher engine and pump RPM makes the wheel move, you still have some fine tuning to do.

if when at idle and with some revs-on, the steerings stays dead centre
time to take it for a test run....
do up the valve/manifold bolt to spec. drop the car, drive it, and see how it is

A new or newly rebuilt box will be stiff enough in the middle to make it really quite awkward to turn if you grab the input shaft and try to turn it with your hand with the steering gear fresh out of the box.
when I build a manual box i use a socket and small ratchet, to run it full its full range of motion because its such a pain in the *** to get through the middle stiff bit by hand.

Mopars have no steering damper, they depend on the "twisted rubber bush" reaction of the steering idler (always installed with wheels dead ahead) and the stiff bit in the middle of the steering box.
An incorrectly installed new idler can make it very hard to steer one way.
The stiff bit in the middle of the box stops sector tooth and ballnut tooth chatter, caused by road vibration and feedback, eating their complimentary parts away, when driving dead ahead on the freeway. a loose box wears itself out quicker than one set to specification due to vibration induced erosion of the sector and ballnut teeth.

They use the same/very similar sector/ballnut mesh, set-up specification, in both manual and power boxes you set em up "stiff in the middle" the same way.
if you have been adjusting the sector mesh via the threaded bolt and lock nut on the top cover you could have lost the adjustment set at the point of rebuild.
you would normally add a fraction of a turn in.. after about 20K miles

do not undo or try to adjust the worm screw preload by messing with the headset of the box around the input shaft.
This bearing preload for the worm is set with the box dry, with nothing else inside but the worm screw and ballnut/piston.
i.e before the sector shaft is installed.


Dave
 
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the power assist in one direction or the other on a mopar steering box is dictated by the Valve Assembly manifold position on the steering box, the bit that the pipes go into.
under it, there is a tiny direction lever/ jiggle pin, which dictates how much assist is diverted to left and right.
you need to balance the position of the valve assembly so that you get 50% for Right and 50% for left.
this can only be done with the box on the car and pressurised by the pump, which may well be slightly different pressure from any other pump, which may impact where the best position for the valve/manifold is. the position setting is unique to the situation.

This is part of the work to fit a new power steering box to the car
if it came with a valve/manifold fitted, good chance it won't be in the right place
if it didn't' and you just put yours on, there is a good chance it won't be in the right place
of course there is also a chance that it is and really you have a faulty steering box, but gotta tick all boxes and check everything :)

with the wheels off the ground and the engine running and you hands and feet and animals and children well away from the steering wheel or road wheels

undo the bolt for the valve/manifold part slightly and tap it 1 1/6 of an inch one way or the other,
this will cause more powerful assist one way and less powerful assist the other
knock it too far and the box will auto steer violently left or right and you would to have to physically fight it to go the other way. this is why nobody should be near the moving parts.

you are looking to position it so that with the engine running the steering stays centred.
Once done and only if you are not in DRIVE, give it a rev, if the increased pressure seen at the steering box due to higher engine and pump RPM makes the wheel move, you still have some fine tuning to do.

if when at idle and with some revs-on, the steerings stays dead centre
time to take it for a test run....
do up the valve/manifold bolt to spec. drop the car, drive it, and see how it is

A new or newly rebuilt box will be stiff enough in the middle to make it really quite awkward to turn if you grab the input shaft and try to turn it with your hand with the steering gear fresh out of the box.
when I build a manual box i use a socket and small ratchet, to run it full its full range of motion because its such a pain in the *** to get through the middle stiff bit by hand.

Mopars have no steering damper, they depend on the "twisted rubber bush" reaction of the steering idler (always installed with wheels dead ahead) and the stiff bit in the middle of the steering box.
An incorrectly installed new idler can make it very hard to steer one way.
The stiff bit in the middle of the box stops sector tooth and ballnut tooth chatter, caused by road vibration and feedback, eating their complimentary parts away, when driving dead ahead on the freeway. a loose box wears itself out quicker than one set to specification due to vibration induced erosion of the sector and ballnut teeth.

They use the same/very similar sector/ballnut mesh, set-up specification, in both manual and power boxes you set em up "stiff in the middle" the same way.
if you have been adjusting the sector mesh via the threaded bolt and lock nut on the top cover you could have lost the adjustment set at the point of rebuild.
you would normally add a fraction of a turn in.. after about 20K miles

do not undo or try to adjust the worm screw preload by messing with the headset of the box around the input shaft.
This bearing preload for the worm is set with the box dry, with nothing else inside but the worm screw and ballnut/piston.
i.e before the sector shaft is installed.


Dave
Dave, thanks so much for the detailed information. Unfortunately most of it is mute since I have returned the NAPA box for refund. A few notes on that box though. The FSM indicates the valve adjustment you speak of is to correct a tendency to self steer, which you mentioned to test for with the wheels off the ground and engine running. The steering on this box did not move from center no matter how high the revs were, nor did it want to steer one way or the other by itself when driving; however, when steering was initiated , it would turn easy to the right and hard to the left, and stay right where you put it in a turn, not coming back unless forced to do so. It is my opinion that this box was defective in remanufacture.
The box from CarSteering that is in the car now has all the problems the one from NAPA had except it steers hard in BOTH directions. As I mentioned, these problems are present even with the pitman arm disconnected.
I expect to get my re-built ORIGINAL unit back from CarSteering soon. Seems like I tried finding a socket to turn the input shaft by hand and couldn't find one that would fit. What size did you use? It would be handy to turn the unit lock to lock before attaching the steering wheel to get a feel for how tight it is. I could easily turn my original unit with my bare hand, and it worked perfectly (sigh)
 
your original rebuilt is probably the best bet...if it just had a problem keeping its fluid in at least it steered for a time anyway :) ...
 
your original rebuilt is probably the best bet...if it just had a problem keeping its fluid in at least it steered for a time anyway :) ...
My fear is that the re-built version will have the same tightness as the other two reman units. Which type of socket did you use to hand crank yours?
 
i have a section with A/F sockets in that get used for nothing and i just pull one of them
but in theory if you work your way through a set of standard Inch based 16 point sockets one of them invariably fits snug on the spline..or at least it does on a manual box
 
i have a section with A/F sockets in that get used for nothing and i just pull one of them
but in theory if you work your way through a set of standard Inch based 16 point sockets one of them invariably fits snug on the spline..or at least it does on a manual box
Well no wonder I can't find the right socket; all I have are 6 and 12 point. Didn't even know there was a 16 pointer. Thanks for the info!
 
sorry i meant 12

i'm babbling rubbish as per usual
a hex socket with a double hex ....... Hex...... clue is in the name i should not be so hasty to post

Well no wonder I can't find the right socket; all I have are 6 and 12 point. Didn't even know there was a 16 pointer. Thanks for the info!
apologies

almost worth buy some cheap crap from the middle isle of your local supermarket
they are always a bit loose, just tap one one gently

i.e i was talking about the type of sockets you would normally tend to avoid..the kind that split... :)


you can get 16 point spline sockets, they will be patented copyrighted trade marked and have a proper name i'm sure used on modern Audi and BMW but that wasn't what i was talking about... Just a PITA fastener to make you use the dealer

we in general have no need for them on anything old...
 
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