69 Dart GT emblems and decals

[GT4spdragtop]

Hello all,

I just picked up a '69 Dart GT convertible and it has been restored. The people that did it didn't put on any decals or emblems, so I have a few questions.

I found reproduction tire, coolant, and jack decals, but no emissions decal. My car is suppose to have number 79 for the 273 4 speed, but the reproduction for the 273 is #78 which appears to be right for '68 273 cars. Does anyone have a picture of their #79 273 decal from 1969?

Is there any specific guidance for the precise locations for the placement of these decals? I know the line workers basically slapped them on, but maybe there's some accepted ideal positions? The jack instructions in particular appear in many different locations in pictures of cars I found online. Did different plants use different locations?

My hood and quarters have no holes drilled for the emblems. Is it a sin to grind off the pins and use 3M double sided tape? What are the arguments for/against double sided tape?

Thanks everybody.

 

[str12-340]

here's a picture of the Dart GT emblems. Same as a 1970 Dart GT but in a slightly different rear quarter location. Repops available from Layson's Restorations, a vendor member on FABO...

 

[cudamark]

The drawbacks to stick-on emblems is that they can fall off eventually.

 

[GT4spdragtop]

@str12-340: Thanks for your reply. I ordered replacements from Year One only to find out that they are on back order. I called and they said that they should be in by the end of the year... we'll see. If they fail to come it I will look at Layson's, thanks.

@cudamark: Thanks. I thought about that possibility, but my '74 Charger emblems are of similar weight and construction and were stick-ons from the factory. I just have a hard time wanting to drill holes in very nicely finished panels, but if it's the right way to go... I also don't know how I will be able to properly locate the holes. On the hood it is easy because there are areas underneath for the speed nuts. but the quarters have no such thing. For now I am collecting opinions, so thanks for yours.

 

[Bennoel 10]

If you go with the stick on method and discover that the location is wrong you can always move em. I agree with having a hard time drilling holes in nicely finished panels, breeding ground for corrosion to start. Just my thoughts.
Good luck with your car.

 

[GT4spdragtop]

@Bennoel 10: Yes, I am concerned about corrosion too. I like to drive my cars, so I can't be too careful there. Thanks for the input.

 

[str12-340]

Did anybody send you pictures of the 1969 emblem location? I know that it is significantly different than the 1970 location.

 

[GT4spdragtop]

@str12-340: I haven't received anything other than what you see here in this thread. I would like a good picture of the #79 decal if anyone has one. I don't think there are too many 273 four speeds out there though, unless the automatic used the same #79, not sure. I'd also like information on the locations of the other decals like the jack instructions, coolant, and tire pressure. There's a lot of variation online which is why I ask. My car was built at the Hamtramck plant, so ideally someone with a car built there. Thank you.

 

[Turbo440Dart]

Pins are accessible with the rear panel removed and the quarter window rolled up. Should be able to peek in there and see where they were filled.

 

[Bennoel 10]

As far as the jack instruction decal is concerned the procedure on the assembly line goes something like this.... line worker stood on the driver's side of the vehicle, with the decal in their right hand he or she ( political correctness) would just slap the decal on the underside of the trunk lid as the vehicle continued pass. With different workers of different arm lengths and heights weights etc there is no real perfect location. Remember it's just a sticker on the underside of a trunk lid. The line worker is probably installing one every few seconds or minutes along with other operations. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but a dart in 1969 was just a car and a low level vehicle despite what there worth today. So just peel off the decal from the paper backing and slap it on. Wherever it lands is correct.
Good luck with your project.

 

[GT4spdragtop]

@Turbo440Dart: My quarters are new, so no filler unfortunately (or fortunately), thanks.

@Bennoel 10: Yes, it's not news to me that the workers just slapped them on which is why I mentioned that in a previous post in this thread. The problem is that I have photos of the stickers on the driver side and passenger side as well. I don't know how serious you are being when you describe the assembly procedure with the worker being on the driver side, but if that is actually correct then that would be helpful to me because it would eliminate the locations I have pictured on the passenger side. I realize it isn't of paramount importance to everyone, but I enjoy learning about the assembly and attempting to replicate it as much as possible when restoring cars. I appreciate any information you can share with me, thanks.

 

[Turbo440Dart]

@Turbo440Dart: My quarters are new, so no filler unfortunately (or fortunately), thanks.

@Bennoel 10: Yes, it's not news to me that the workers just slapped them on which is why I mentioned that in a previous post in this thread. The problem is that I have photos of the stickers on the driver side and passenger side as well. I don't know how serious you are being when you describe the assembly procedure with the worker being on the driver side, but if that is actually correct then that would be helpful to me because it would eliminate the locations I have pictured on the passenger side. I realize it isn't of paramount importance to everyone, but I enjoy learning about the assembly and attempting to replicate it as much as possible when restoring cars. I appreciate any information you can share with me, thanks.

If you decide you want to use the pins I can take some measurements for you.

 

[Bennoel 10]

@Turbo440Dart: My quarters are new, so no filler unfortunately (or fortunately), thanks.

@Bennoel 10: Yes, it's not news to me that the workers just slapped them on which is why I mentioned that in a previous post in this thread. The problem is that I have photos of the stickers on the driver side and passenger side as well. I don't know how serious you are being when you describe the assembly procedure with the worker being on the driver side, but if that is actually correct then that would be helpful to me because it would eliminate the locations I have pictured on the passenger side. I realize it isn't of paramount importance to everyone, but I enjoy learning about the assembly and attempting to replicate it as much as possible when restoring cars. I appreciate any information you can share with me, thanks.

Yes I do believe that was the location of the line worker and the process. Was I there ? No. I got this information quite some time ago. I read it somewhere, can't recall exactly but it looked like official paperwork instructions. I did however spend 25 plus years as a assembly line worker starting in 1982 so I have some knowledge of the culture and process. When I read the instruction paper it looked and sounded reasonable. As far as which side is correct, left or right, I would go with the majority which I believe is left or driver's side of centre. Again it wasn't as important to locate in a specific spot. Just needed to be under the trunk lid. Seen many that were crooked and wrinkled.
Again wish you luck with your project and maybe post a pic or two.

 

[GT4spdragtop]

@Turbo440Dart: I appreciate that. Right now, I'm leaning toward tape.

@Bennoel 10: Thanks for the information, that's helpful. I found a picture of a car built at the Hamtramck plant and the sticker is original and located on the driver side. It is crooked as you suggest. I'll attach photos of that car. This car also shows the coolant sticker being fully to the right of the radiator, most I see are not that far to the driver side. Any input there?

 

[Bennoel 10]

@Turbo440Dart: I appreciate that. Right now, I'm leaning toward tape.

@Bennoel 10: Thanks for the information, that's helpful. I found a picture of a car built at the Hamtramck plant and the sticker is original and located on the driver side. It is crooked as you suggest. I'll attach photos of that car. This car also shows the coolant sticker being fully to the right of the radiator, most I see are not that far to the driver side. Any input there?

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Yes I believe that is correct. Usually they seem to cover the vin# that's stamped on the rad support.

 

[Bennoel 10]

@Turbo440Dart: I appreciate that. Right now, I'm leaning toward tape.

@Bennoel 10: Thanks for the information, that's helpful. I found a picture of a car built at the Hamtramck plant and the sticker is original and located on the driver side. It is crooked as you suggest. I'll attach photos of that car. This car also shows the coolant sticker being fully to the right of the radiator, most I see are not that far to the driver side. Any input there?

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Looks similar to this original sticker placement only not much left but you can see it's almost identical ?? A little lower, possibly a shorter line worker. Lol.

 

[GT4spdragtop]

@Bennoel 10: Haha yes, thanks. It looks like the sticker would fit a lot nicer in the triangle just below, but that's just not what was done I guess.

 

[Bennoel 10]

@Bennoel 10: Haha yes, thanks. It looks like the sticker would fit a lot nicer in the triangle just below, but that's just not what was done I guess.

Yes but anywhere you chose is acceptable. Kinda like a poet's license. As long as it's there, it's correct.