A Scamp ripped the Dragon a new one!

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Guys,

This past Saturday, I drove my Scamp to The Tail of the Dragon, in NC/TN. I've been there dozens of times, but only one other time on 4 wheels (1993 Mazda RX-7). It was a beautiful day on 4/5/2025.

I live south of Atlanta, but within Atlanta metro. The drive TO the Tail of the Dragon was ~205 miles. I went to the Deal's Gap Motorcycle Resort (DGMR) to start with, had lunch, and lurched around the parking lot.

It was EXACTLY the same as I had noticed last year when I went to the Dragon 4 times, trailering a motorcycle (to Robbinsville), and made up my mind to bring the Scamp in 2025. By that I mean, on the way up there I saw a fair amount of antique / muscle cars. But once having arrived at DGMR, NOT ONE SINGLE ANTIQUE/MUSCLE CAR. It is as if The Tail of the Dragon is the Kryptonite of muscle cars.

So yeah, same thing. My 72 Scamp was in that parking lot all alone. No other contemporaries, not one. Lots of motorcycles of course. Packs of import cars, Corvettes, Porsche's, a Lambo or two, but not one other antique / muscle car. Nevertheless, El Scampo was going to make a run. And in that parking lot, many random people are coming up and asking lots of questions, giving me the thumbs up. The Scamp was getting lots of attention. Kind of what I figured would happen, since I figured there would be no other old cars there. I had people coming up saying, "that dude sounded bad-*** rolling through the parking lot."

So I fire El Scampo up. There were a few imports around about to fire up and leave. And I asked them, you mind if I leave at the back of your pack? You don't want me in front, I'm going to take it real easy with 4 drum brakes. They said SURE. So I left at the end of a pack of imports. And I did, I took it easy. The following is the point of making this post.

I WAS FLABBERGASTED AT JUST HOW GOOD THAT SCAMP HANDLED. I can drive a car. I can ride a bike. I raced motorcycles in the late 90's. I wore knee-pucks out. I'm not the badest *** rider or driver that's ever been, but I can drive pretty darn good. And that damn Scamp, holy cow. It handled WAY BETTER than I ever dreamed it would. Oh and on the first drive out from DGMR onto The Dragon, there was a crash, motorcycle vs. car, which I believe was fatal. So, no matter how hard you imagine I drove the car (below), I left room for error, and I stayed in my lane 100% because I didn't want to hit a motorcyclist, or destroy a Scamp.

As far as I know, the car is totally stock. And it's rolling on P215/60R14 (from my memory) cheapie tires. As I started into The Dragon, and was getting the feel of lobbing the car left and right, I slowly began inching up the pace. And the car took it and grinned. The LA360 with 727 trans is running TTi headers, an X-Pipe and no mufflers. An Edelbrock AVS carb I've tuned and tuned and tuned via an AFR gauge, and an Eaton True-Trac differential. Once into the meat of The Dragon (which is not far from DGMR), I pulled into 2nd gear and left it there. It was as if 2nd gear was MADE for The Dragon.

I pushed it a bit more, and then started hitting it hard out of the turns. OMG, it sounded like a damn old school NASCAR racecar. I pushed it to the point the tires were squealing that they were at their limit. The car seems so very well balanced. It's not an understeer or oversteer car. It's very neutral. I was surprised about that. I got worried that the amount of load I was putting on the front end (back and forth and back and forth) something was going to break. But nothing broke. There was a lot of people parked on the side of the road, and they'd hear the Scamp coming and started hooting and hollering cheering on the Scamp. I even heard one guy yelling as I went by, "SCAAAAAAMP YEAAAAAAAH!" Not many people know a Scamp when they see it.

After slowly building up the speed, I could keep up with those imports. Not all, but the ones I left with yes I could. The Scamp caught up to many motorcycles (the ones where the riders are amateur and smart enough NOT to ride beyond their capabilities). There were many cars and motorcycles that would pull off the side (when a pull-off was available) and let the Scamp scream on by. And there were lots of instances where El Scampo pulled over to let very fast motorcycles and a few fast cars go on by. But I am still flabbergasted at just how hard that Scamp would stick in the corners. I had a hard time staying in my vinyl seat, lap belt on and tight. I eventually found that if I steered with my left hand, and reached my right hand down the bottom of the seat in the center and held the seat frame, I could keep myself as steady in the seat as I was going to get. I kept wondering while RAILING through the turns harder than I ever thought the car would go, "has this suspension been upgraded / modified."

I just can't say enough about how badass the car did. I went through The Dragon twice. Left home at 7:00 am, and got back about 9:00 pm. I put 450 miles on the Scamp. Burned about 30 gallons, and averaged about 15.2 mpg. A helluva great day. I'll attach some Killboy pictures later, after stomaching how much I'm going to have to pay for them! :D
 
Give me a day or two, I just bought a couple killboy pictures.

I was running my dash cam. Hmmmmm, let me see about downloading some of that video.
 
You drove 450 miles in a small block Scamp with NO MUFFLERS!?!

Tip of the cap to you sir!
With a 727, 24" tires (from memory) and 3.55 rear gears, it's turning ~3,000 rpm at 60 mph. That's as fast as I drove, 60 mph. At 3,000 rpm it's not resonating. So, it's not too bad. Plus, the X-pipe does a good job of bouncing sound waves into each other and it does quieten it down a fair amount. But I never drove it without the X-pipe so I can only speculate about that. I ran earbuds too, and that blocked a ton of sound out. All windows down, no working A/C.
 
very cool. video would be awesome..

we should have our dart there in october with the sick smokies event. should be a bunch of cars and gassers cruising it that week.

any advice on what to expect? i will say our dart is a bit more set up then it sounds like your scamp is. 1.08 bars, sway bar, eaton rear springs, bilstein shocks, borgenson box and 11 3/4 disc brakes up front with 11" drums out back riding on 225/60-15 tires and a moderately agressive alignmnet.
 
Yeah. Stay in your lane, and otherwise have a blast. The motorcyclists are getting more and more obtuse about cars riding over the line ... even if it's apparent no one is coming the other way. What I heard is there was a death that day (4/5) and I rolled by it and guys were doing various things, looked like they were trying to keep things less apparent than it could have been. Then 2 ambulances with lights and sirens were headed that way as I sat down at Tabcat Boat Ramp / Overflow lot cooling it off. It takes over an hour for an ambulance to get to The Dragon. Probably about 1.5 hours for it to get to the state line. The timing was about right, since it might take a good long time to get a call out. I'm doubting there's good cell coverage in the middle of The Dragon, but I didn't check it.

Anywho - the word "on the street" was that both the motorcycle and the car were cutting over the line and the bike and car went head-on. And that they had heard from the guys that stopped to help that, "it wasn't pretty."

Now for some pictures...
 
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Pictures!

Gas station, 7:30 am.
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Tree of Shame at DGMR.
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Ripping!
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Still ripping. The Scamp wasn't fooling around, it was getting down to bidness!
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yea i read that there are a bunch of crashes on it.. there will be 300 or cars in the area when we go,. not sure the gassers will handle the turns so well..lol hopefully it doesn't turn into a **** show.
 
Probably the only ****-show would be, rolling through there very slowly due to slow/heavy traffic. Do you have some info on that event? I'd like to join if I can.

And I mean, besides the normal ****-show of bikers getting kilted in one form or fashion.

I'll be going back up there in a couple weeks on my Boss Hoss! The Scamp will absolutely trash my Boss Hoss on The Dragon! But I'm itching to throw it around too! (Not, it won't lean but a couple degrees before some crap starts dragging! :D )

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I do the charity ride every year at the Blackberry Smoke at The Shed shows on my Harley. One year all the girls wanted to go too, so the bride loaded all of them up in Nellas 1 ton Ford e350 van and the bride did the Dragon driving that. She won’t ride with me, but she’ll take the van? She’s super hard core and did the entire charity ride, which also includes the Cherahola Skyway. No easy task! Here’s our Killboy shots from that year. My son rode with me, it was his birthday!

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The proportions of your sickle look off. Maybe it's just cause it's leaning. Your son is a badass though! Glad he did something versus just riding by! Hehehe props to him.
 
I know the "Dragon " well !
Riden it many times on our different motorcycles , which were all big cruisers.
Last time up we brought our new to us Miata can tore up that tail !!! Had a blast driving it fast with a car that handles. It was off season and not much traffic. The Cherohala Skyway is also a great ride !
 
Maybe I just don’t know how to drive because I hate taking my 72 Scamp through the turns. I’ve redone the front and rear suspension. Though it doesn’t have swaybars lol. Thanks for sharing. Looks like a good time.
 
jrc4y4 - Here around town it seems like if I try to throw it through 1 singular turn, yeah it feels like an old car that just wants to roll and waller. So I know what you mean.

Maybe it's the speed too. A turn here around town is generally taken at higher speeds. Those near continual left-right turns were all done between 25 and maybe 35 mph. Seems slow (and it is). But on that road it's plenty fast for a Scamp. And at those speeds, it did quite well ... or at least better than expected.
 
Put in some 1.08" torsion bars, sway bars, good shocks and modern tires and alignment and it'll keep up with most of the other newer cars. Sounds like you have a degree of driver skill too which makes all the difference.

I remember Jay Leno once said in one of his videos, "Driving is like sex. Every man thinks he's good at it." Lol
 
Put in some 1.08" torsion bars, sway bars, good shocks and modern tires and alignment and it'll keep up with most of the other newer cars. Sounds like you have a degree of driver skill too which makes all the difference.

I remember Jay Leno once said in one of his videos, "Driving is like sex. Every man thinks he's good at it." Lol
As for the hardware: One of these days maybe ... one of these days. Just isn't the priority right now. And as good as the car drives, I hate to mess with it. Driving down the road, it rolls straight, true, smooth. No pulling, no shimmy, no wobbles, and smooth as silk on a smooth road. Like a 1972 Camry. Would love a Gear Vendors O.D. on it! Or an A833 4-speed. But I won't convert it from an original auto to a manual trans ... so a GV O/D sounds better. One of these days on that too ... maybe.

Jay Leno is right. The import guys that I left with, they pulled over at the overlook (I went on down to Tabcat), before they could get out, here I come and they were all leaning out with thumbs up because I had stayed that close to them ... and they had seen me back behind them most of the way. I can drive. As far as sex, I'm VERY FAST there too! Hehehehehe. J/K. Wink wink. I'm sure I don't have the skills in bed that I do in the car.

One quick story: I had a 1993 RX-7. Not stock. Very fast. Great handling. I was working in Montgomery Alabama at the time at the Hyundai plant. I took a Korean buddy out to lunch and when we were coming back we were turning left into the plant, from the turn lane of a 4-lane highway. So we had to cross 2 oncoming lanes to get into the plant driveway. I wanted to impress my little Korean buddy, so I made that left turn just as fast as that sombich would turn. It was going great ... until! That tiny bit of slope difference between the fast lane and slow lane created just a tiny crown. The fast lane of a 2 lane is design to slope 2 degrees (drain water off to the right), and the slow lane, I can't remember exactly, is an additional 2 degrees, or maybe it was an additional 1.5 degrees (making the slow lane either 3.5 degrees or 4 degrees of total slope). That's the design intent anyway, for water drain. That tiny bit of 2 degrees between the oncoming fast lane and oncoming slow lane was just enough to induce the slightest "hop" and cause the car to go sideways. With that short wheelbase, it went sideways QUICK. And we're moving FAST too. My Korean little buddy screamed in fear and did a double-handed wave facing the passenger window like he was saying NOOOOO! I was countersteering like a **** and freaking out inside, and was damn close to just stomping the hell out of the brakes because the entrance funneled down to 1 lane with big ole asphalt curbs on both sides. And we were sliding sideways going right at the outside curb. I was a millisecond from stomping the brakes (meaning surrendering to the slide) when the car began following the steering wheels and straightened up and headed right down the entrance. Kim Park Lee stopped screaming, and asked, did you do that on purpose? Of course I lied and said yes, and he said, Nooooo, no way. I think he must have sensed some panic within me too. But I didn't want to admit to him how close I was to F'ing it all up. If I had stomped the brakes, it would have slid sideways into those curbs and bent up the right side suspension and wheels. It was close. But it does show how good I was at taking that car to the limit. I just didn't consider that tiny bit of slope hop, and got lucky that if finally cooperated. I'd say it slid sideways for about 2.5 seconds. Doesn't seem like much, but seemed like forever while it was happening. Sorry, that story wasn't quick at all.
 
To all;
As a local, BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE DRAGON!
There is a reason there are serious wrecks or fatalities every week on that stretch of road.
When you bring a cruiser bike that can't lean far enough to take that corner at the speed you've chosen, you end up in the oncoming lane or ...
Understeer or oversteer when you take that corner too fast, you end up in the oncoming lane or ...
Overconfidence and overestimating your own abilities can lead to panic when it goes bad, then you end up on the brakes, in the oncoming lane or ...

The problem with the DRAGON is that there is ZERO margin for error. NONE.
If you leave your lane to the left, you go into oncoming traffic.
If you leave your lane to the right, you go into trees, a steep drop-off, or both.

These risks are doubled because there are people/idiots coming in the other lane. They can screw up and take you out.
This is the biggest reason that I avoid that road.

I have friends that love to "run the Dragon."
They have lost quite a few cars and motorcycles on that road.
Some have spent time in hospitals.

Remember: SOMETIMES THE DRAGON WINS!
 

I remember Jay Leno once said in one of his videos, "Driving is like sex. Every man thinks he's good at it." Lol
This is exactly right.

I have raced motorcycles in AMA.
I have raced cars in ChampCar.
I have a lot of kids.
And I can tell you,
I don't really know how to ride a motorcycle.
I'm not a good driver.
I'm awful in the sack and I've got a small dik.

These are all like life, the minute you think you have it all figured out, it will jump up and bite you!
If you really want to prove how good you are, build a car and take it to the track and race wheel to wheel in some of these budget series, like ChampCar.
Actual racetracks are much more forgiving with no oncoming traffic and run off room when you f'up.
 
Great story, I'm not surprised. I have always thought that these cars were underrated in their ability to run the right road course. With a little bit of proper suspension work and sub frame strengthening they can handle quite well. But it takes a good driver that can feel what his car is capable of and what it is not. We spent our youth racing dirt bikes and cars down gravel roads you quickly learn your ability or spend a lot of time waiting to get pulled out of the ditch or picking the gravel out of your hide.
 
To all;
As a local, BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE DRAGON!
There is a reason there are serious wrecks or fatalities every week on that stretch of road.
When you bring a cruiser bike that can't lean far enough to take that corner at the speed you've chosen, you end up in the oncoming lane or ...
Understeer or oversteer when you take that corner too fast, you end up in the oncoming lane or ...
Overconfidence and overestimating your own abilities can lead to panic when it goes bad, then you end up on the brakes, in the oncoming lane or ...

The problem with the DRAGON is that there is ZERO margin for error. NONE.
If you leave your lane to the left, you go into oncoming traffic.
If you leave your lane to the right, you go into trees, a steep drop-off, or both.

These risks are doubled because there are people/idiots coming in the other lane. They can screw up and take you out.
This is the biggest reason that I avoid that road.

I have friends that love to "run the Dragon."
They have lost quite a few cars and motorcycles on that road.
Some have spent time in hospitals.

Remember: SOMETIMES THE DRAGON WINS!
Speaking of this, I went back to The Tail of the Dragon this past weekend 4/19. This time on a V8 powered 1,200 pound motorcycle. So all of the above, it's all true, but again, I'm not the best driver or rider that there ever was, but I can damn shore hold my own.

I tried not to drag, but I did a fair amount. That's a Mickey Thompson drag radial (car tire) on the back. Look at all that gription!

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I Did a similar thing with my Green MoPar on the Back of the Dragon 2 weeks after your visit to the tail.

I have never been to the TOTD. I would only go when there would not be a lot of traffic like 5:45 am in June or something like that. I suspect it is tighter than the BOTD with only~11 miles vs 32 on the botd.

Thanks for the report!
Here is a video of my Shenanigans...
It was not a pleasure cruise!:)

 
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