Adjusting side glass

[1MeanA]

I am on day 2 now of adjusting the quarter and door glass on my '70 Dart. I've had everything out and apart during the restoration. What a pia. I've got the manual and am familiar with all the adjustments. I can get the door glass parallel at the top and the quarter glass sealing at the top. However, there are still a few fitment issues I just can't resolve. The door adjustments are pretty good.

• top corner of vent window sticks out past weather strip trim (both sides) . I've loosed all bolts, front and rear, and setscrew and can't move the top of the vent window in. Perhaps I can move the weather strip trim out a bit or is it supposed to look like this? The glass doesn't sit against the seal properly on the driver's side (see pic) at the front top half.
• door and quarter glass are not parallel (both sides). The door glass vertical trim does seal against the quarter vertical seal when rolled up. It seems everything is at the end of its adjustment. I had to loosen/tighten the regulator to get it this close.

Anything I can try?

 

[j_anderson]

in/out at the top is controlled by the pin in the bottom of the door frame/end of the door glass track. The pin is bolted in from the bottom and runs through a u-shaped piece of steel that squeezes the door structure to hold it in place after you set it where you want it.

 

[1MeanA]

in/out at the top is controlled by the pin in the bottom of the door frame/end of the door glass track. The pin is bolted in from the bottom and runs through a u-shaped piece of steel that squeezes the door structure to hold it in place after you set it where you want it.

I adjusted that. It gives a slight amount of movement

 

[j_anderson]

I adjusted that. It gives a slight amount of movement

that is the only adjustment for tilting the top of the window in or out. Mine is pushed all the way outward (toward the door skin) and I could use a little more inward tilt of my vent window. I can't remember what the structure looks like that the u-shaped steel sandwiches but maybe if it's a hole, it could be opened up a little more to allow more outward adjustment?

 

[Super-Cuda]

I adjusted that. It gives a slight amount of movement

Are these the original doors and window frames?

Also, can you post a pic of the complete vent window showing how it is resting against the a-pillar with the door completely closed??

 

[4spdragtop]

@CFD244 has a great pic of a cutaway of a door with outer door skin removed. Might help?

 

[1MeanA]

that is the only adjustment for tilting the top of the window in or out. Mine is pushed all the way outward (toward the door skin) and I could use a little more inward tilt of my vent window. I can't remember what the structure looks like that the u-shaped steel sandwiches but maybe if it's a hole, it could be opened up a little more to allow more outward adjustment?

Mine too. I might pull the pin out and see if more movement would help. I have thought about opening up some adjustment holes but I’m not there yet.

Are these the original doors and window frames?

Also, can you post a pic of the complete vent window showing how it is resting against the a-pillar with the door completely closed??

Yes original. I’ll get a better pic. I hope to see some other cars this week to see what they all look like.

 

[1MeanA]

I pulled all the bolts out including the bottom pin and the top of the vent window won't move in far enough. Is it supposed to be even with the upper window trim? Again both sides are similar but drivers side is worse. I'm not sure what limits the travel....probably the metal brackets that the vent window frame slides into?

 

[Super-Cuda]

I pulled all the bolts out including the bottom pin and the top of the vent window won't move in far enough. Is it supposed to be even with the upper window trim? Again both sides are similar but drivers side is worse. I'm not sure what limits the travel....probably the metal brackets that the vent window frame slides into?
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Okay.

A couple of things to check.

1. The rubber gasket above the glass fits into a stainless steel molding that runs the length of the roof.
The corner piece that runs down the A-Pillar looks off to me based on the pic. It seems to be pushing the frame outward.
It should sit higher.
It's possible its being offset by either the gasket behind the stainless trim or, the vinyl top excess that's not trimmed back enough or, its not positioned properly into the roof.

2. Take off the roof channel and rubber strip and see how the vent window frame sits then.
Remember, this is a game of 1/16" s. A little here, a little there adds up to correct alignment.

 

[1MeanA]

Okay.

A couple of things to check.

1. The rubber gasket above the glass fits into a stainless steel molding that runs the length of the roof.
The corner piece that runs down the A-Pillar looks off to me based on the pic. It seems to be pushing the frame outward.
It should sit higher.
It's possible its being offset by either the gasket behind the stainless trim or, the vinyl top excess that's not trimmed back enough or, its not positioned properly into the roof.

2. Take off the roof channel and rubber strip and see how the vent window frame sits then.
Remember, this is a game of 1/16" s. A little here, a little there adds up to correct alignment.

I'll try #2 first. I just pulled the rubber strip off of the driver side to see if the strip has any in/out adjustment...which it does not. The vinyl roof doesn't run under the trim.

 

[Super-Cuda]

I'll try #2 first. I just pulled the rubber strip off of the driver side to see if the strip has any in/out adjustment...which it does not. The vinyl roof doesn't run under the trim.

Look at the pic you posted again.

If you look closely, you can see that the front trim piece that runs down the A-Pillar is sitting lower than the rest of the roof channel molding.

They should mate together better than that.

A good place to start I think based on the fact you have tried everything else.

Cheers!

 

[4spdragtop]

Al is this the pieces you are talking about?

Look at the pic you posted again.

If you look closely, you can see that the front trim piece that runs down the A-Pillar is sitting lower than the rest of the roof channel molding.

They should mate together better than that.

A good place to start I think based on the fact you have tried everything else.

Cheers!


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[Super-Cuda]

I'll try #2 first. I just pulled the rubber strip off of the driver side to see if the strip has any in/out adjustment...which it does not. The vinyl roof doesn't run under the trim.

Look at the pic you posted again.

If you look closely, you can see that the front trim piece that runs down the A-Pillar is sitting lower than the rest of the roof channel molding.

They should mate together better than that.

A good place to start I think based on the fact you have tried everything else.

Cheers!

Al is this the pieces you are talking about?


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Yes, that's it Steve.

I had a similar issue.

 

[Super-Cuda]

Here you go 1MeanA,

Just check how tight fitting the roof channel moldings are in this pic.

Hope it helps some.

 

[1MeanA]

The issue is that the rear of the glass trim is bent up slightly not that the front a pillar piece is down. I don't think I can move it up any....will have a closer look. I hope I overlapped the 2 pieces correctly.

I pulled the upper glass seal and find that the a pillar sits even with the upper glass trim now like it should. Looking close I see that there is an area behind the top of the vent window where there is about a 1/16" gap to the bare trim....add the thickness of the rubber seal in there and that is the problem. I circled the area (I think I got it right). How to fix this? I'll see if there is any room to jockey the trim inwards or upwards perhaps. I did dolly it a bit. Perhaps the gasket is thicker than it should be.

 

[1MeanA]

Here you go 1MeanA,

Just check how tight fitting the roof channel moldings are in this pic.

Hope it helps some.

Thanks and nice color!

 

[Super-Cuda]

Thanks and nice color!

No problem!

BTW, not my car , just a pic I found. It is a great color though.

Let us know how you make out with the adjustments.

 

[1MeanA]

I've made some progress but am still not happy with the fitment. I looked at a bunch of cars at the show yesterday. There are some variances for sure. I've given up on getting the car to any shows this year.

One question, I cannot get the passenger side quarter glass vertically parallel with the door glass. The quarter glass needs to rotate another 1/4" at the top to close the gap. I've spent hours trying to jockey the regulator and tracks. I had replace the quarter glass with a used piece but don't know what it came out of. Are there variances in quarter glass for Darts? I might have to pull the glass and compare it to the original glass.

 

[Super-Cuda]

I've made some progress but am still not happy with the fitment. I looked at a bunch of cars at the show yesterday. There are some variances for sure. I've given up on getting the car to any shows this year.

One question, I cannot get the passenger side quarter glass vertically parallel with the door glass. The quarter glass needs to rotate another 1/4" at the top to close the gap. I've spent hours trying to jockey the regulator and tracks. I had replace the quarter glass with a used piece but don't know what it came out of. Are there variances in quarter glass for Darts? I might have to pull the glass and compare it to the original glass.

That's definitely the first place to start!

Make sure you have the correct glass before doing anything else.

 

[1MeanA]

That's definitely the first place to start!

Make sure you have the correct glass before doing anything else.

Well it was supposed to be correct

 

[j_anderson]

Well it was supposed to be correct

I bought AMD glass and it’s not the same. The little notch at the top where the rubber tip rests is not cut the same at all. I had to modify it so the window would go all the way up

Did you replace the front window too?

 

[1MeanA]

I bought AMD glass and it’s not the same. The little notch at the top where the rubber tip rests is not cut the same at all. I had to modify it so the window would go all the way up

Did you replace the front window too?

I have AMD glass on the driver side (quarter and door) and it fits ok. The passenger side has original door glass and original quarter glass that I bought long distance. I am wondering if there were variations in quarter glass between 70 and later years perhaps. I'll yank it out tomorrow and compare.

 

[j_anderson]

I have AMD glass on the driver side (quarter and door) and it fits ok. The passenger side has original door glass and original quarter glass that I bought long distance. I am wondering if there were variations in quarter glass between 70 and later years perhaps. I'll yank it out tomorrow and compare.

I don’t think there were variations in the quarter glass from 67-76

Here’s the area I was talking about. The windows wouldn’t go all the way up until I modified the rubber tip.

I also bought amd quarter glass though I didn’t do a side by side before install

 

[1MeanA]

I don’t think there were variations in the quarter glass from 67-76

I compared and both pieces are the same

Here’s the area I was talking about. The windows wouldn’t go all the way up until I modified the rubber tip.

I also bought amd quarter glass though I didn’t do a side by side before install

I looked at my AMD door glass and it has the cutout

 

[1MeanA]

After pulling the quarter glass I saw that the back roller that goes in the short horizontal track was not in the track
It’s back together now and after readjusting everything it mates nicely with the front glass. A little more tweaking on the other side and then I hopefully should be done.