Brainstormin' 440 vs 5.9 ...

[318willrun]

I really don’t know how accurate the math is but it should be in the ball park at least. Sometimes things especially engines punch above their weight class (big fat torque curve)
Dan

I liked it because you thought about it. When it comes to this stuff, my math is more of a "reasoning". Kind of goofy actually. Although we are all taking "pot-shots", I still used a form of reasoning to come to my conclusion. But I could be way off as the next guy... lol

 

[Illahe]

I liked it because you thought about it. When it comes to this stuff, my math is more of a "reasoning". Kind of goofy actually. Although we are all taking "pot-shots", I still used a form of reasoning to come to my conclusion. But I could be way off as the next guy... lol

We've seen what you can do with a 318...No sandbagging...

 

[318willrun]

TT5.9mag --------- 16.90
jrc4y4 -------------- 15.30
dirty white boy-----15.15
71GSSDemon ----- 15.00
Sharpone ---------- 14.85
Killer6----------------14.81
69conv---------------14.80
496 polara --------- 14.78
Turbo440Dart ----- 14.70
70SwingerGuy------14.65
Mopar44134--------14.605
mopowers---------- 14.53
Curious Duster ---- 14.50
red67gts ----------- 14.40
MOPARMAGA ------ 14.32
a-bodyguy --------- 14.319
67/6barracuda ---- 14.20
skep419 ------------ 14.12
junkyardhero ------ 14.00
440 Mike ----------- 13.90
fishmen67 --------- 13.80
sr71mopar---------- 13.75
273 ----------------- 13.70
Garrett Ellison------13.58
331MP ------------- 13.40
Illahe——————— 13.30
RustyRatRod ------ 13.016

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[Killer6]

This is the intake I'm referring to, Mine was on a '76 440 I put in a '73 Satellite, in place of the 'teener. I "fixed" #3 runner by outwelding it & grinding all the way into the weld, even re-formed a new '3', ...
440 source doesn't show an 'RV-specific' 440 intake, only the square-bore 413 ones with closed EGR passages.

 

[Garrett Ellison]

Well, we’re coming up on the first day of winter. Hopefully the weather will break some between squalls so we can see some testing in “Mexico” before spring, but I’m not going to hold my breath on that one…

 

[67/6barracuda]

All the speculation in this 440 is fun. This 440 just needs some clocked E-3 spark plugs and it’s smoking the 360

 

[MOPARMAGA]

This is the intake I'm referring to, Mine was on a '76 440 I put in a '73 Satellite, in place of tbe 'teener. I "fixed" #3 runner by outwelding it & grinding all the way into the weld, even re-formed a new '3', ...
440 source doesn't show an 'RV-specific' 440 intake, only the square-bore 413 ones with closed EGR passages.
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Nice.

 

[Garrett Ellison]

All the speculation in this 440 is fun. This 440 just needs some clocked E-3 spark plugs and it’s smoking the 360

 

[318willrun]

Dyno horses are escaping the corral!! Many times, a 100 of them don't show up to the track!

 

[MOPARMAGA]

Dyno horses are escaping the corral!! Many times, a 100 of them don't show up to the track!

Theres reasons for those horses not to show up

 

[318willrun]

Theres reasons for those horses not to show up

Fence down? Gate left open?? LOL

 

[318willrun]

Getting a break in the weather.... Christmas week will be busy... I'm hoping that I can get something done on the 440 by (or at) the end of the week...

 

[318willrun]

Dyno horses are escaping the corral!! Many times, a 100 of them don't show up to the track!

I posted mine a couple of posts up, so I certainly am going to post Joe's video as well !!!

 

[RustyRatRod]

Getting a break in the weather.... Christmas week will be busy... I'm hoping that I can get something done on the 440 by (or at) the end of the week...

Then what the heck you doin on here? Chop chop Hop Sing!

 

[273]

Dyno horses are escaping the corral!! Many times, a 100 of them don't show up to the track!

To me Dyno = Potential, Track = How well that potential is being used.

 

[318willrun]

To me Dyno = Potential, Track = How well that potential is being used.

true... to a point. I will say, that wallace is supposed to be "at the crank" - not the tire. So WEIGHT X MPH is supposed to get you close to actual HP. When the MPH comes up a 50 or more HP short, well, to me it's a case of the dyno not showing up at the track. And really, not trying to turn this into a Dyno thread but just addressing all the different dyno videos that have been presented to me from various ways about what I can expect from the RV 440

 

[Illahe]

true... to a point. I will say, that wallace is supposed to be "at the crank" - not the tire. So WEIGHT X MPH is supposed to get you close to actual HP. When the MPH comes up a 50 or more HP short, well, to me it's a case of the dyno not showing up at the track.

It seems logical that the “water brake” doesn’t duplicate track “load” that the vehicles performance dictates.

 

[273]

true... to a point. I will say, that wallace is supposed to be "at the crank" - not the tire. So WEIGHT X MPH is supposed to get you close to actual HP. When the MPH comes up a 50 or more HP short, well, to me it's a case of the dyno not showing up at the track. And really, not trying to turn this into a Dyno thread but just addressing all the different dyno videos that have been presented to me from various ways about what I can expect from the RV 440

I just find it funny how a Calculated hp results are held in a higher regard than a dyno's measurement.

 

[Illahe]

I just find it funny how a Calculated hp results are held in a higher regard than a dyno's measurement.

The track allows you to know how much power you’re getting to the ground with you E.T. Rather than how much load you could put on the water brake.

 

[318willrun]

I just find it funny how a Calculated hp results are held in a higher regard than a dyno's measurement.

What we do know is some have found some pretty notable differences in the measurements from dyno to dyno. That doesn't happen with Wallace

 

[Illahe]

What we do know is some have found some pretty notable differences in the measurements from dyno to dyno. That doesn't happen with Wallace

If Wallace only had “the” barometric pressure calculator that operator was administering on the given test…

 

[318willrun]

If Wallace only had “the” barometric pressure calculator that operator was administering on the given test…

That wouldn't change anything. Because, a car has less HP when the air is bad. It's why the car slows up

 

[33IMP]

I'd like to point out, that I didn't pick a number, I said it would be AT LEAST a half second slower than the 5.9. Thank you.

Alrighty! We’ll get you down for 13.30 with a gear that works. Taking a dive to the lower end of the spectrum!

TT5.9mag --------- 16.90
jrc4y4 -------------- 15.30
dirty white boy-----15.15
71GSSDemon ----- 15.00
Sharpone ---------- 14.85
Killer6----------------14.81
69conv---------------14.80
496 polara --------- 14.78
Turbo440Dart ----- 14.70
70SwingerGuy------14.65
Mopar44134--------14.605
mopowers---------- 14.53
Curious Duster ---- 14.50
red67gts ----------- 14.40
MOPARMAGA ------ 14.32
a-bodyguy --------- 14.319
67/6barracuda ---- 14.20
skep419 ------------ 14.12
junkyardhero ------ 14.00
440 Mike ----------- 13.90
fishmen67 --------- 13.80
sr71mopar---------- 13.75
273 ----------------- 13.70
Garrett Ellison------13.58
331MP ------------- 13.40
Illahe——————— 13.30
RustyRatRod ------ 13.01

 

[Illahe]

That wouldn't change anything. Because, a car has less HP when the air is bad. It's why the car slows up

Interesting. My assumption was that the Dyno variant was due to the operators “tuning” the air density “calibrations…”

Some are more honest than others, perhaps.

 

[318willrun]

I'd like to point out, that I didn't pick a number, I said it would be AT LEAST a half second slower than the 5.9. Thank you.

Would you like to pick a number? Or, if you wish, we can remove the guess from the list. let me know