Converting 1975 Dart to 1972 model?

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So my pal picked up a nice 1975 Dart and I was thinking it would look better as a 1972 Dart. Besides the grill, what can be swapped on the externally? Does just the grill assembly need to go, are the fenders the same, the hood/bumpers?
 
The entire front end from the doors forward are different.
I thought the quarter panels were the same and that the end caps could be swapped but I’m not sure.
The interiors/doors and trim panels are different from 1973 on.
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Even the doors are different? Dang, I thought those would be the same. Might just pass then. Too much to replace then.
 
Well, yeah. 1973 was a big year of changes, some not so immediately evident.
You can make the outside look like an earlier model fairly easily.
 
Some of it looks similar, but nothing is the same.
So my pal picked up a nice 1975 Dart and I was thinking it would look better as a 1972 Dart.
So does your buddy want to switch it, or are YOU trying to talk him into a project?
If HE wants a '72, he should buy a '72 and sell the nice '75 to someone who appreciates it for what it is.
It would be easier and cheaper in the long run.
 
Why does it matter to you?
If the man wants to back-date an otherwise ugly 75 Dart, it is his business. I took a big bumper 74 Duster and back-dated it to look like a 71 Duster. I did it for me, not to please other people.
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‘75 is a tough year to clone to an earlier model.

The front would need fenders, hood, hood latch support, grille, headlight surrounds, bumper and lower valance. The bumper will be an additional issue because the ‘75 will only have a mount for a shock mounted bumper, so the mounts for the ‘72 brackets will also have to be added to the frame.

The doors externally look the same except for the lack of a wing vent on the ‘75, but if you want the interior to be from a ‘72 then a door swap would also be in order.

The rear is also a bunch of work. You’d need the bumper, trunk lid, quarter extensions and a rear valance. And there will still be surgery needed to the quarters and tail panel to get those parts to work.
 
Do what you want, but to me, if you want the Superbird, buy the Superbird.

Why the hell would you want a '72, anyway? Ugly marker lights, one year only grille style with no really neat performance models, and that's coming from someone that OWNS one!

I'd rather have a '70/71 if I knew what I know now when I bought mine. I WILL say that tucking the bumpers and fixing the stance makes the '73-'76 cars look a lot more like what I suspect the stylists had in mind. When the *** isn't sagging, they look a lot nicer.
 
I took a big bumper 74 Duster and back-dated it to look like a 71 Duster.
If I came across a deal on one I would do the Demon look. Had a 72 back in the day. A guy near me has 70 dart nose. Still hoping to find another Demon again. I can dream can't I?
 

Kern Dog thank you, your always quick with an answer. Your blue duster looks stunning.​


Professor Fate We do bartering between us and He scored me a bit of stuff. It's something I was considering.​


72bluNblu Thank you for the parts breakdown. Knowing that alone is a wealth of knowledge.​


jos51700 tomato's/potato's, we all have choices. The reason for why I wanted a 72' Dart was simple. I once bought one from the original owner, a white 1972 Dart Swinger 2dr. Black top with full exterior chrome package that made it look stunning. Her husband insisted on buying the 3rd year of a cars production as "those models had the flaws worked out" and be great drivers. This car has 318, auto, power steering, power disc brakes, 8 3/4 rearend, 14X5.5 wide wheels with dog dishes, deluxe bench seat interior, dual mirrors, am-fm radio, rear defroster, air conditioning and it even had cruise control! It was the fun-est driving a-body I ever had, and I've had a few of them, tied with the 1968 Dart GT I owned. Being from a poor family, I ended up having to sell it. I regretted selling that car more than any other mopar I owned, and I've owned nearly 100 old cars and trucks. It's been nearly 30 years since I sold it and miss having it. I was hoping to get a nice cheap body and convert it into the car I missed out on keeping. After hearing that it's too much work to convert over, I will pass on this car.​

 
Why does it matter to you?
Because he asked. As elaborated on by others, the differences make it not practical. Possible, but generally not practical. You can hang Dart sheetmetal on a Camaro if you're determined enough- it's just easier if you start with a Dart.
As far as "an otherwise ugly '75 Dart", beauty is in the eye of the beholder- not everyone is a beaker-hater. Thus the "pass it on to someone who appreciates it" (especially since it is a "nice" car) and get a '72 comment. Heck, I personally don't like the early '70s Darts, but at least I don't berate those that do.
 
Its alot of hacking and for what ? either year car is nice if done right.

I will add that I also never liked the 72 "pop up camper" side markers on any Mopar

Its almost like Mopar went to TSC and bought a lot of them in bulk to save a buck that year

on the other hand the 68 "Dime " side markers were very cool. :)
 

Because he asked. As elaborated on by others, the differences make it not practical. Possible, but generally not practical. You can hang Dart sheetmetal on a Camaro if you're determined enough- it's just easier if you start with a Dart.
As far as "an otherwise ugly '75 Dart", beauty is in the eye of the beholder- not everyone is a beaker-hater. Thus the "pass it on to someone who appreciates it" (especially since it is a "nice" car) and get a '72 comment. Heck, I personally don't like the early '70s Darts, but at least I don't berate those that do.
I don't believe its the beaks that's not liked . Its the picnic bench bumpers . But when tucked they look pretty darn good.
 
The 75-76 grille was not great. The stand-off bumpers don't help either but have you seen the Fords of the same era?

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As someone that has converted a '74 Duster into a '71 Demon clone, it's honestly not all that difficult. Obviously there are some differences to consider depending on the year/model being cloned or converted, but the majority of the conversion is just bolting stuff on (again, year dependent).

As far as the price thing, well, I know that I spent less to convert my '74 Duster into a '71 Demon than an equivalent condition '71 Demon would have cost. '74 Dusters are super cheap (highest production A-body model/year), '71 Demons are not. The entire front clip cost me $500. Even with the tail panel, rear bumper and brackets and tail lights, plus some of the extra goodies I threw on (scoops, '68 markers, the '71 doors I haven't swapped yet, etc) I have less than $2k into the conversion. Granted, I did all the work myself, so that's just the cost of the parts and materials. I paid $2k for the Duster, and even at the time there was no way in hell I'd have gotten into an equivalent '71 Demon for under $4k.
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My '74 did have the frame mounts for the standard front bumper brackets though, so the entire front end swap was a bolt on. The rear obviously required a tail panel swap, followed by welding up the rear crossmember where the shock mounted rear bumper brackets went in order to be able to install the earlier rear bumper brackets. But none of that was particularly complicated, and the rear tail panel on my Duster was pretty banged up so a tail panel replacement was on the table already even if it had stayed a Duster. Like the new interior panels- I needed them anyway so buying '71 instead of '74 isn't extra (in fact, some of the '74 stuff isn't reproduced so going '71 is an advantage there)

And that's a consideration too, at this point these cars are pretty old. So hanging a new tail panel or even quarters on a car isn't an uncommon repair to begin with. Obviously there are cars out there that don't need their quarters replaced, but depending on the condition of the car the conversion isn't necessarily a whole bunch of extra parts. When my '72 Challenger goes back on the road it will look like a '71. But it needed quarters and fenders anyway because of the rust and damage to the car. So the only extra parts at that point are the header panel, hood latch and grille. Hell even the marker lights aren't extra, the originals were cracked and needed to be replaced so it just gets '71 markers instead of '72 replacements.

I recently came across this 74 turned into a 68

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Depending on the built date on the '74 it may have already had the front bumper bracket mounts, so the whole front end is a bolt on. The rear is quarters, the tail panel, bumper and trunk lid.
 
As someone that has converted a '74 Duster into a '71 Demon clone, it's honestly not all that difficult. Obviously there are some differences to consider depending on the year/model being cloned or converted, but the majority of the conversion is just bolting stuff on (again, year dependent).

As far as the price thing, well, I know that I spent less to convert my '74 Duster into a '71 Demon than an equivalent condition '71 Demon would have cost. '74 Dusters are super cheap (highest production A-body model/year), '71 Demons are not. The entire front clip cost me $500. Even with the tail panel, rear bumper and brackets and tail lights, plus some of the extra goodies I threw on (scoops, '68 markers, the '71 doors I haven't swapped yet, etc) I have less than $2k into the conversion. Granted, I did all the work myself, so that's just the cost of the parts and materials. I paid $2k for the Duster, and even at the time there was no way in hell I'd have gotten into an equivalent '71 Demon for under $4k.
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My '74 did have the frame mounts for the standard front bumper brackets though, so the entire front end swap was a bolt on. The rear obviously required a tail panel swap, followed by welding up the rear crossmember where the shock mounted rear bumper brackets went in order to be able to install the earlier rear bumper brackets. But none of that was particularly complicated, and the rear tail panel on my Duster was pretty banged up so a tail panel replacement was on the table already even if it had stayed a Duster. Like the new interior panels- I needed them anyway so buying '71 instead of '74 isn't extra (in fact, some of the '74 stuff isn't reproduced so going '71 is an advantage there)

And that's a consideration too, at this point these cars are pretty old. So hanging a new tail panel or even quarters on a car isn't an uncommon repair to begin with. Obviously there are cars out there that don't need their quarters replaced, but depending on the condition of the car the conversion isn't necessarily a whole bunch of extra parts. When my '72 Challenger goes back on the road it will look like a '71. But it needed quarters and fenders anyway because of the rust and damage to the car. So the only extra parts at that point are the header panel, hood latch and grille. Hell even the marker lights aren't extra, the originals were cracked and needed to be replaced so it just gets '71 markers instead of '72 replacements.



Depending on the built date on the '74 it may have already had the front bumper bracket mounts, so the whole front end is a bolt on. The rear is quarters, the tail panel, bumper and trunk lid.
That's nice work I like the 68 side markers :thumbsup:
 
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