gear ratio choise

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I have a question on choosing a rear diff gear ratio. i have a 73 dart with 318 4 barrel. i pulled the automatic years ago and put in a 4 speed the 883 overdrive. with the 2.76 ratio it was a dog off the line but fun above 25mph got great mpg 18+. I bought a set of 275/60 r15 tires for the rear and smaller for the front from a buddy. car looks good but the joy is gone it is a dead dog off the line and mpg tanked i am putting together an 8.75 together and want to know the "proper way" to picks a gear ratio for the back. my boy has a 68 dart stock v8 but has 3:55 with pizza cutters on it (stock tires) he runs circles around me he gets 16mpg and 65 is limit for sustained rpm 2300 for him on a junk yard 318. 355 or 391 i am thinking for me but would appreciate "proper way in put" or real world "we did that" Thanks
 
It really depends on what you want out of the car. Rear tire height also plays a factor.

I went from 2.76's to 3.55's on a 26" tall tire and it's a night and day difference.
 
3:55 is considered the "minimum" 4 speed gear.
 
the od trans has a low 1st gear I think around 3.08 ,I had one in by aspen with a 2.94gear I would bet your cam is mismatched or you need your dist recurved, but mine had plenty of tire spinning in it, with a 268 cam.
 
Install 3.91's at a min., 4.10's for a final drive feel of 2.82.
 
aren't 373's avail? great option between 355 and 391 when i service mine im going to 373 from 355...
 
aren't 373's avail? great option between 355 and 391 when i service mine im going to 373 from 355...

Why? I don't think you're gonna notice much difference at all.

Now, if you went from 3.23's to 3.91's you would probably notice.
 
Work this formula backwards.

Mph=( rpm x TC) /(1056 x R1x R2)...........

Where; TC=tire circumference, R1=final drive(diff ratio), R2=trans top gear.

Say; your teener cruises nicely at 1800, and your 275s are 28 inchers(88TC), and your trans OD is .73.
65mph=1800 x 88 / 1056 x .73 x R1diff ratio; ...........R1 = 3.16; rounded up to 3.23;your new gears. Your srarter gear will be; 3.09 x 3.23 =9.98. This is fine for a stock cammed teener. Not so good for low compression teener with a bit of a cam.
For that application you will need about 20% more take-off torque multiplication. So 9.98 plus 20% equals; 9.98 x 1.20 = 11.98. now 11.98 / 3.09 = 3.88 rear gears. Which rounds up to 3.91s;easy-peasy.
On the other end of the scale, cruise will now also be 20% higher, so; 2160@65, still reasonable for fuel mileage!
Beware of going too far with a rear ratio as normal take-off will make the 1-2 shift ridiculously early .
If you go back to the 11.98 starter gear, and divide it by the standard 2.66 low gear, you will see that this is equivalent to running a 4.50diff! This is almost nuts in a DD(IMHO).A better answer is what Rusty said: 3.55s
3.55 x 3.09 =10.97. This is 10 % less than optimum for a LCteener, but still equivalent to running a 2.66 x 4.12; so pretty good.
But honestly the best answer is to bring up your Dcr(dynamic compression ratio) to where the teener pulls on the bottom-end, by itself. I know I would not be happy until the cylinder pressure was up around 165psi or better.
To that end; I respectfully recommend a compression test.

What you gave up in the A/T swap is the off-the-line torque multiplication of the converter.
That TC/A/T is what makes a low compression teener driveable with hi-way gears. Its kinda like a lower first gear in the automatic, kinda like the loc-up is another gear at the top.

So just to re-iterate; what Rusty and others said; 3.55s.

Hope that helps.
 
You say that your mpg fell off when you put on the bigger tires. Did you change out the speedometer pinion gear when you changed tire diameter? If not, your mpg didn't fall off; your odometer is off since you changed to a larger diameter tire and didn't match your speedometer pinion to your gear and tire diameter.
 
You say that your mpg fell off when you put on the bigger tires. Did you change out the speedometer pinion gear when you changed tire diameter? If not, your mpg didn't fall off; your odometer is off since you changed to a larger diameter tire and didn't match your speedometer pinion to your gear and tire diameter.

ahh this a a good way to compensate or play with ratios and rpms for sure..
 
i need to measure my tire height and look at the tire axle combo Mderoy has posted. The dart has a bone stock 68 318 out of a satellite wagon. eventually i have a lumpy 340 for it i am waiting till the kids out of high school some times they drive my car. and lose the 7.25 axle. basically my sons 318 dart with 3:55 is really fun even with 2 barrel. mine needs correct gears then the 340. the goal of the 340 is 375hp it is 9.5 to 1 274 480 cam 202 intake 194 exhaust dominater intake roller tip rockers. i think 3:55 may be the way to go. or 391 which ever i can get first. Thank you everyone for input
 
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