1. DentalDart

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    I know another question from me! I swear I read before doing this and before asking this question but now I feel like I'm getting mixed information. (I know should of gotten 69 camaro lines, but I didnt. yet). Calipers rear mounted due to sway bar.

    First pictures (2) are originally how I had the calipers mounted (passenger side); brake line below the piston, bleeder at top above the piston. Per multiple threads this is the correct position.

    Second pictures of how the calipers are currently mounted. I switched them due to being told in my other thread they were on incorrectly and that they needed to be swapped. This position has the hose on bottom, bleeder below the piston though?

    Then I was told again its incorrect after swapping sides.

    So... can I get some help getting the correct answer?

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    • RustyRatRod

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      First picture is correct.
       
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        You're gonna see differing opinions on this. Some say hose on the bottom, bleeder on top. It does not matter where the hose is oriented. The position in your first picture is optimal and here's why. That bleeder is as close to the top as possible. Swapping it so the hose is under it like in the last pictures positions the bleeder a "little" further down and leaves space at the top of the piston for some air above the bleeder. That's what's important. Getting that bleeder as high as possible. The air will come to the top regardless of hose position. I don't know how that argument ever got started.
         
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          Bleeder is always on top.
           
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          • George Jets

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            Bleeders on the top.

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            • DentalDart

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              Son of beech. So tomorrow I will redo it all over again lol. Maybe I'll be better at it after doing it 3x!

              I'll also be doing the proportioning valve and MC
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              • Dana67Dart

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                3rd times always the charm!
                 
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                • George Jets

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                  Hope your new distribution block with the add on metering valve for the disc brakes looks like this one pictured here for A Bodies, also the Master Cylinder.

                  Disreguard the Kelsey Hayes 4 pistion calipers for your set up.

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                  • Car Nut

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                    Nice looking setup btw.
                     
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                    • DentalDart

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                      Yes got that MC but I grabbed the proportioning valve from an 88 diplomat, still reading and slightly unsure how it hooks up but I'll get there eventually....

                      I also am assuming this on my car currently is just the stock distribution block that I take off and replace with the proportioning valve from the dippy.

                      Thanks! I have some older but brand new rotors (just a little surface rust) but I really wanted drilled and slotted so I ended up buying them anyways. My daughter picked out the shiniest gold paint the auto store had for the calipers and I couldn't say no to doing them the color she wanted.

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                      • Dana67Dart

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                        Hey doc,

                        Something to do is to rotate the wheels lock to lock and check for the hose hitting or twisting excessively.
                        Do it in the full droop like now and in normal ride height and as close to full compression ad you can. ( If you have not set the ride height you can loosen torsion bar adjusters and Jack up spindle).

                        If all the parts are OEM and installed in their correct orientation then prob not an issue but when swapping in later model parts and hoses from other cars and in an orientation that was not stock. It is cheap insurance that nothing bad will happen down the road.
                         
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                        • RustyRatRod

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                            Yea I rotated them both ways and bent the metal portion of the lines next to the caliper in away to where they weren't hitting anything

                            Torsion bars aren't in the car right now because I'm still waiting on a replacement bushing from PST to arrive before I can install the drivers side LCA, so it makes some things a little easier to move around.
                             
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                            The bleeder has to be on the top. How else would the air come out when you bleed them. Also you have the wrong hoses for rear mounting. The hoses you are using are for front mounting. I use 72 b-body hoses I get them at NAPA. If I get time I will take pictures of mine they are off the car since the Accident but still assembled on the spindles. I have stated this on many threads but others don't agree they just wrap the hoses with the metal line up like a pretzel like yours are. Some say camaro hoses. The hoses I use fit perfect on a a-body with the calipers mounted in the rear. I must have done at least 20 customer cars already. We recently installed them on a member 69383valiant's car. I have gotten many disagrees from some jerks on here . Next time I go to Napa I'll see if he can give me the part number off of my account.

                            You wrap that hose like that it won't take long and the inner hose will collapse and your brakes will stay applied. Here is a picture of mine on my car . I will see if I can get at them in the race trailer and get a better picture.

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                              Here is couple pictures of mine that Oldmanmopar did on my ride.. works perfectly..

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                                Know all about letting the little ones choose paint colors, enjoy it while you can! Also, a question with a word of caution. How often do you lay awkwardly shaped large pieces of hardware and tools across your positive battery terminal? Please don't do that anymore, eyeballs and sulfuric acid do not play well together.
                                 
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                                  I'd get different hoses, like the one's above.
                                   
                                • DentalDart

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                                  Good catch! I usually dont ever lay anything on the battery, but was frustrated and tired last night when I ran out there to snap a couple pictures and wasnt thinking.
                                   
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                                  • DentalDart

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                                    @Oldmanmopar those napa hoses for a 73 charger-76 look almost identical to the 69 camaro ones. If they are the same length I have no doubt they would work just as good, heres the picture for anyone who may need it in the future.

                                    No auto store in town has 69 camaro or 73 charger lines so it will be a touch before I get some.

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                                    • Oldmanmopar

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                                      Our NAPA dealer gets them in a day. Order them in the morning and there there at 1:00 PM. Pretty common hose I believe used on many makes and models.
                                       
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                                      Get the correct propotining valve from a 70-74 a'body

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                                      • DentalDart

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                                        All switched back up and MC out, now just working on getting my pushrod out

                                        Thanks everyone!

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                                        • George Jets

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                                          Have you heard of bench bleeding your master cylinder before mounting it to get the air out of it for starters.

                                          Some of the master cylinders come with instructions on how to do that.

                                          @Oldmanmopar probably has some tips on how to do that.
                                           
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                                          • DentalDart

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                                            Got it out :)

                                            Yes I've heard of bench bleeding. This is my bench. It's more comfortable to sit on the ground right here than to be standing right now

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                                          • Dana67Dart

                                            Dana67Dart Like a fine wine, only getting better with age! FABO Gold Member

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                                            You can bench bleed in the car, same principal, just using the brake pedal to move the plunger.

                                            ALSO.... WATCH OUT for squirts of brake fluid. I shot brake fluid 15 feet onto my sisters WHITE 65 mustang and didn't know it till the next day. needless to say the white under the brake fluid was no longer white! still haven't lived that one down!

                                            ALSO ALSO...
                                            Your new master cyl does not have the holes for the bellows to attach to, not sure if you want to drill and tap for it You might be able to use some adhesive to keep it in place. I suspect your new MC has a snap ring to keep the plunger in. If you do decide to drill and tap BE SURE to prevent shavings from entering anywhere. ALSO be careful how deep you drill, might get into the reservoir if you go too deep. you will certainly void any warranty if you do drill. Others can weigh in on the bellows. My Dart is missing its and there was a slight seepage for 4+ years when the car sat, that ran down the inside of the firewall and dissolved the paint on the floor under the carpet.
                                             
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