Intermediate Shaft and Bushing

[JedIEG]

A few questions since I have to replace the interstate shaft bushing in my 340 block:
1. Is there a special instalation method for the bushing or just hammer it in? I bought a shaft and bushing off of Mancini and it seems like the clearance is right uninstalled. I have read about some people burnishing the bushing after instalation. Is that common?
2. The Mancini shaft gear is pressed on with no pin. The shaft that I pulled out of the 340 is a pinned shaft. Is it worth trying to drill the gear to install a pin? (I wish I could reuse the old 340 shaft l but it has worn out at the bushing). I have read the pin just causes a stress riser in the shaft and isn't actually an upgrade over a pressed shaft so long as it has the radius going into the hex for the pump drive.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

Yes.

No.

 

[408 swinger]

There is a special tool, part number blah, blah, blah..... Find yourself an extra distributor gear/oil pump drive, cut it off short(so it will no longer engage the oil pump), and grind of the teeth so it won't mesh with camshaft. Put the bushing on your"new tool", using a brass drift, punch, whatever.... Then drive it home. Doing it this way makes sure you don't distort the ID of the bushing. You need something holding the ID straight while you drive it in. I've used this "special tool" for thirty years without fail.

 

[JedIEG]

It sounds like I can just use the old 340 shaft or grab the one out of the spare 318 in the corner to tap the bushing in. The cam isn't in and the mains are off so I may not even need to make a tool for it to work how you described

 

[Newbomb Turk]

It sounds like I can just use the old 340 shaft or grab the one out of the spare 318 in the corner to tap the bushing in. The cam isn't in and the mains are off so I may not even need to make a tool for it to work how you described

Get the tool or borrow one. When you press the bushing in it will be out of round and tight. Bet on that.

The tool will burning the bushing to size.

There is a million pump drives out there there are junk because they were installed wrong.

I have at least two of them out there.

Do it right. Anyone can half *** do a job. When you are done it’s still a half assed job.

 

[RustyRatRod]

The correct answer is, "It depends". A lot of the aftermarket bushings come so that they are sized correctly when installed. Most of the higher end and factory Mopar bushings need burnishing. I got a Durabond "I THINK" brand last time I did one and it was perfect after I installed it and didn't need burnishing.....even though I have the tool.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

The correct answer is, "It depends". A lot of the aftermarket bushings come so that they are sized correctly when installed. Most of the higher end and factory Mopar bushings need burnishing. I got a Durabond "I THINK" brand last time I did one and it was perfect after I installed it and didn't need burnishing.....even though I have the tool.

I stopped buying those bushings. About half of them were still tight.

 

[RustyRatRod]

I stopped buying those bushings. About half of them were still tight.

Sometimes they are. Send it. It'll wear the clearance in. LOL

 

[408 swinger]

I must be one lucky sum *****. I use Pioneer bushings. When pushing, pressing, driving, hammering the bushing in with my old home-made pump drive, distributor gear, bushing install tool, no issue. When the bushing is installed on said tool, then bushing installed, the old gear/tool/ what the **** ever you want to call it, keeps the id correct. Thus, burnishing it. It works, trust me...... Sorry some of y'all had to spend real money on the "REAL" tool........

 

[Newbomb Turk]

I must be one lucky sum *****. I use Pioneer bushings. When pushing, pressing, driving, hammering the bushing in with my old home-made pump drive, distributor gear, bushing install tool, no issue. When the bushing is installed on said tool, then bushing installed, the old gear/tool/ what the **** ever you want to call it, keeps the id correct. Thus, burnishing it. It works, trust me...... Sorry some of y'all had to spend real money on the "REAL" tool........

I’d say you are lucky. I don’t rely on luck.

How ******* expensive is the tool to do it right?

How do you know the hole in the block is round?

How do you know the hole in the block is straight?

How do you know the hole in the block is not undersized?

You don’t unless you measure it. That takes way more time than to use the tool and do it correctly.

I’ve thrown away probably a hundred pump drives because they are worn right under the gear, just EXACTLY where the shaft goes through the bushing. Go figure.

Now the timing is wonky because the drive flops around in the bushing like socks on a rooster.

Then guys drill a hole in the pipe plug at the end of the drivers side oil gallery to put some more oil on it, except if the clearance is tight it won’t matter and the drive gets ate up.

I can go out to the shop and find at least two drives I have out there that are junk because someone did the hillbilly method or bushing install.

One of them has less than 2k on it.

But do it however you want. You’re that lucky.

 

[mopar head]

Last one I put in I could wiggle the shaft a little, it came right back out.
Got one from Mancini I believe and burnished to size, like a machine fit.
I bought the tools to do it right.
If anybody was a neighbor, I`d loan you the tools.

 

[408 swinger]

I’d say you are lucky. I don’t rely on luck.

How ******* expensive is the tool to do it right?

How do you know the hole in the block is round?

How do you know the hole in the block is straight?

How do you know the hole in the block is not undersized?

You don’t unless you measure it. That takes way more time than to use the tool and do it correctly.

I’ve thrown away probably a hundred pump drives because they are worn right under the gear, just EXACTLY where the shaft goes through the bushing. Go figure.

Now the timing is wonky because the drive flops around in the bushing like socks on a rooster.

Then guys drill a hole in the pipe plug at the end of the drivers side oil gallery to put some more oil on it, except if the clearance is tight it won’t matter and the drive gets ate up.

I can go out to the shop and find at least two drives I have out there that are junk because someone did the hillbilly method or bushing install.

One of them has less than 2k on it.

But do it however you want. You’re that lucky.

Ok. Answers to the questions in order.
#1. Couldn't tell you what the tool costs. Never priced it.
#2. Measure the hole.
#3. Again, measure the hole. Only in a different direction. (That is totally smart *** remark. Lighten up Francis.....)
#4. Refer to previous three......

So, assumption is THE mother of all **** ups. I was ASSUMING you'd realize I wasn't using wore out **** to do what I do. I've NEVER found it necessary to drill that particular plug to "make" the bushing "live". I'm definitely not arguing against doing it "right". The fact of this matter is, I've found a way that works using "layman's" tools. I've been here long enough to know you have a lot to offer and knowledge that is invaluable. I do honestly respect that. I was simply offeing advice for the DIY'er. I should have been more clear....

 

[RustyRatRod]

I must be one lucky sum *****. I use Pioneer bushings. When pushing, pressing, driving, hammering the bushing in with my old home-made pump drive, distributor gear, bushing install tool, no issue. When the bushing is installed on said tool, then bushing installed, the old gear/tool/ what the **** ever you want to call it, keeps the id correct. Thus, burnishing it. It works, trust me...... Sorry some of y'all had to spend real money on the "REAL" tool........

I just love tools. I have quite a lot.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

I just love tools. I have quite a lot.

That’s one of my (many) vices. I love tools. I used to make them, but I’m old enough now if I can buy a nice tool I do it.

I used to use a pickle fork to do tie rod ends and ball joints. Then I found a 15 dollar (at the time) tool that doesn’t require a hammer. Just a socket.

I have to pull the center link to get my engine out. I bought that thing and giggled all the way home.

 

[RustyRatRod]

That’s one of my (many) vices. I love tools. I used to make them, but I’m old enough now if I can buy a nice tool I do it.

I used to use a pickle fork to do tie rod ends and ball joints. Then I found a 15 dollar (at the time) tool that doesn’t require a hammer. Just a socket.

I have to pull the center link to get my engine out. I bought that thing and giggled all the way home.

All I've ever used is a BFH. With strikes in the proper areas, there's no need for a pickle fork and zero damage is done.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

All I've ever used is a BFH. With strikes in the proper areas, there's no need for a pickle fork and zero damage is done.

I’m too old to be swinging a big hammer. Plus, I usually lay them down in some idiotic place and then I can’t find it.

That’s why I have a drawer full of them. I did break a Mac dead blow about a year ago. I need to replace that thing.

 

[RustyRatRod]

I’m too old to be swinging a big hammer. Plus, I usually lay them down in some idiotic place and then I can’t find it.

That’s why I have a drawer full of them. I did break a Mac dead blow about a year ago. I need to replace that thing.

I understand more than you know. That's why I use a 48oz Blue Point ballpeen. Doesn't require much swing. At all. I'm gettin ready to do a front suspension rebuild on Vixen. I'm wonderin how bad I'd be made fun of if I did a how to.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

I understand more than you know. That's why I use a 48oz Blue Point ballpeen. Doesn't require much swing. At all. I'm gettin ready to do a front suspension rebuild on Vixen. I'm wonderin how bad I'd be made fun of if I did a how to.

Do it!! I’ve done it that way. It works.

Of course I’ll make fun of you just because.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Do it!! I’ve done it that way. It works.

Of course I’ll make fun of you just because.

Yeah, people think it's butchery, but it only elongates the hole momentarily and allows the stud to be released. Really simple physics.

 

[AJ/FormS]

And so, is this how it goes when the Tares begin to take over a forum. People stepping on people dishing out pain, calling eachother names, and judging them to be of lesser intelligence than themselves. and over such a little thing too.
It seems nobody knows how to just say "I disagree", and then state why. Right away it goes to verbal abuse. and Nobody is ever wrong. and nobody ever says sorry.
This is why I don't come here much anymore. I get beat up over nothing.
And I can see why others of my kind disappear for long periods of time.

This used to be such a nice family place to come and ask for help.
Something happened.
It ain't the same anymore.
I need a vacation from this place.
I'll see ya'll next winter.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

And so, is this how it goes when the Tares begin to take over a forum. People stepping on people dishing out pain, calling eachother names, and judging them to be of lesser intelligence than themselves. and over such a little thing too.
It seems nobody knows how to just say "I disagree", and then state why. Right away it goes to verbal abuse. and Nobody is ever wrong. and nobody ever says sorry.
This is why I don't come here much anymore. I get beat up over nothing.
And I can see why others of my kind disappear for long periods of time.

This used to be such a nice family place to come and ask for help.
Something happened.
It ain't the same anymore.
I need a vacation from this place.
I'll see ya'll next winter.

Unreal. I say using a tool is the correct way to install a bushing and you get your feelings hurt and you call me a tare?

I know that’s directed at me because I’m the only one in the thread that called out the shade tree way of doing things.

The tares are those who claim the earth is flat and think the book of Enoch should have made the canon.

You might want to check the beam in your eye, then get back to me.

Grow up.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

Here is the tool. It’s a hundred bucks. That’s like 50 bucks 5 years ago.

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[junkyardhero]

And so, is this how it goes when the Tares begin to take over a forum. People stepping on people dishing out pain, calling eachother names, and judging them to be of lesser intelligence than themselves. and over such a little thing too.
It seems nobody knows how to just say "I disagree", and then state why. Right away it goes to verbal abuse. and Nobody is ever wrong. and nobody ever says sorry.
This is why I don't come here much anymore. I get beat up over nothing.
And I can see why others of my kind disappear for long periods of time.

This used to be such a nice family place to come and ask for help.
Something happened.
It ain't the same anymore.
I need a vacation from this place.
I'll see ya'll next winter.

save your scold and admonishments, for they fall on deaf ears.

so either tell us how you did it and your process; or ease it on down the road there, Pal

 

[RustyRatRod]

Unreal. I say using a tool is the correct way to install a bushing and you get your feelings hurt and you call me a tare?

I know that’s directed at me because I’m the only one in the thread that called out the shade tree way of doing things.

The tares are those who claim the earth is flat and think the book of Enoch should have made the canon.

You might want to check the beam in your eye, then get back to me.

Grow up.

You know, if you do ANY mechanical work to speak of, it just makes sense. I mean seriously, for a good tool.

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[RustyRatRod]

And so, is this how it goes when the Tares begin to take over a forum. People stepping on people dishing out pain, calling eachother names, and judging them to be of lesser intelligence than themselves. and over such a little thing too.
It seems nobody knows how to just say "I disagree", and then state why. Right away it goes to verbal abuse. and Nobody is ever wrong. and nobody ever says sorry.
This is why I don't come here much anymore. I get beat up over nothing.
And I can see why others of my kind disappear for long periods of time.

This used to be such a nice family place to come and ask for help.
Something happened.
It ain't the same anymore.
I need a vacation from this place.
I'll see ya'll next winter.

Ummmm....WHAT?!