Let's see photos of right hand drive Mopar steering geometry

[Dave999]

i know they are rare...
i know you had to have a dealer who knew about the option in order to promote it to you and you decide you want one.
the sails were bent up, welded onto a standard body, and leaded/plastic filled i.e it was a totally manual diversion off the normal production line ....

there was little interest in a 2 door body in Oz at the time...
The performance cars were 4 door "like what your dad had" with a bigger motor a manual trans and high impact paint. that's what most went for i got what you got but mine is the "hot" version

the two doors tended to appeal to the italians greeks and lebanese more, and well lets just say that certain sections of the population would make sure they did not align their fashion and tastes with other sections who were considered relatively new arrivals.
Or well-to-do gentleman drivers.. string backed driving gloves etc

i had a range of cars when i lived in Oz one of which was a bronze metal flake 1977 VW rabbit on fat alloys. if i ventured out into the country from the big city people would assume i was greek italian or lebanese and because of the car shout things at me, from the side walk or car, usually suggesting I go home... Until i got out of the car as an overweight pale skinned englishman.

this was in 2003.....

so
an unloved 2 door coupe body style (then they were unloved, how things have changed)
with an option that not everyone cared much for....
the VG model cars were promoted on TV by Sterling Moss but i i'm far too young and in the wrong country to have seen those adverts, on TV before i existed. no idea if this option featured.....

the chance of them making 100, 200, 400 up front, on the off-chance they would sell in a planned "1 year only" Stop-Gap model, is in my opinion exceedingly low... the company was not rolling in cash..... it was already failing....

it was an attempt to get the obsolete Dart body out of the way before th VH range came in

I'd be very much agreeing that the lower figure is more likely

sign up with valiantinfobase Bill will know Valiant Infobase – The National Reference Center for Australian built Chryslers

i have the production lists full chassis, engine, options, colour, trim special order and dealer detail for the e37 e38 e48 e49 and e55 engined cars but i don't have the VF VG and 2 Pacer lists

EG my car is no 439

this kind of data may well exist for earlier cars, and if anyone has it it will be Valiant infobase

 

[ProjectBazza]

i know they are rare
i know you had to have a dealer who knew about the option in order to promote it to you and you decide you want one
the sails were bent up welded onto a standard body a leaded/plastic filled i.e it was a totally manual diversion off the normal production line ....

there was little interest in a 2 door body in Oz at the time... the performance cars where 4 door "like what your dad had" with a bigger motor a manual trans and high impact paint

so
an unloved 2 door coupe
with an option

the chance sof the making 100 200 400 up front on the off chance they would sell in a planned "1 year only" model is low
it was an attempt to get the obsolete Dart body out of the way before th VH range came in

id be thinking the lower figure is more likely

sign up with valiantinfobase Bill will know Valiant Infobase – The National Reference Center for Australian built Chryslers

i have the production lists full chassis, engine, options, colour, trim special order and dealer detail for the e37 e38 e48 e49 and e55 engined cars but i don't have the VF VG and 2 Pacer lists

EG my car is no 439

this kind of data may well exist for earlier cars and if anyone has it it will be infobase

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Wow! That is some great information, thank you!

I'll sign-up during my lunch hour here.

Jim

 

[Righty]

i know they are rare...
i know you had to have a dealer who knew about the option in order to promote it to you and you decide you want one.
the sails were bent up, welded onto a standard body, and leaded/plastic filled i.e it was a totally manual diversion off the normal production line ....

there was little interest in a 2 door body in Oz at the time...
The performance cars were 4 door "like what your dad had" with a bigger motor a manual trans and high impact paint. that's what most went for i got what you got but mine is the "hot" version

the two doors tended to appeal to the italians greeks and lebanese more, and well lets just say that certain sections of the population would make sure they did not align their fashion and tastes with other sections who were considered relatively new arrivals.
Or well-to-do gentleman drivers.. string backed driving gloves etc

i had a range of cars when i lived in Oz one of which was a bronze metal flake 1977 VW rabbit on fat alloys. if i ventured out into the country from the big city people would assume i was greek italian or lebanese and because of the car shout things at me, from the side walk or car, usually suggesting I go home... Until i got out of the car as an overweight pale skinned englishman.

this was in 2003.....

so
an unloved 2 door coupe body style (then they were unloved, how things have changed)
with an option that not everyone cared much for....
the VG model cars were promoted on TV by Sterling Moss but i i'm far too young and in the wrong country to have seen those adverts, on TV before i existed. no idea if this option featured.....

the chance of them making 100, 200, 400 up front, on the off-chance they would sell in a planned "1 year only" Stop-Gap model, is in my opinion exceedingly low... the company was not rolling in cash..... it was already failing....

it was an attempt to get the obsolete Dart body out of the way before th VH range came in

I'd be very much agreeing that the lower figure is more likely

sign up with valiantinfobase Bill will know Valiant Infobase – The National Reference Center for Australian built Chryslers

i have the production lists full chassis, engine, options, colour, trim special order and dealer detail for the e37 e38 e48 e49 and e55 engined cars but i don't have the VF VG and 2 Pacer lists

EG my car is no 439

this kind of data may well exist for earlier cars, and if anyone has it it will be Valiant infobase

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I think you rather politely skirted round the fact that for a long time they were called " Wog Chariots" - Western Oriental Gentleman being an Aussie term for people from the Mediterranean and Middle East. Like many things in Australia it could be used as an insult or a term of affection. I have been called a "F""king Pom" a thousand times in Australia, usually by my mates while being asked what beer I want, e.g. "Do you want one of those warm beers you F""king Pom?"
Luckily all those cars - Valiants, Monaros, Falcons and Chargers even the Leyland P76 Coupe are all now iconic and sought after, I just wish I hadn't sold my Charger. Good shout on the database - I'm going to register and try to find the old beast.

 

[ProjectBazza]

Like many things in Australia it could be used as an insult or a term of affection. I have been called a "F""king Pom" a thousand times in Australia, usually by my mates while being asked what beer I want, e.g. "Do you want one of those warm beers you F""king Pom?"

So that's what that means! Bazza has referred to me as a "POM" any number of times....

Thanks!

 

[Righty]

So that's what that means! Bazza has referred to me as a "POM" any number of times....

Thanks!

He must consider you a good mate then. Although if you’re American and he’s Aussie I’m surprised he doesn’t call you a Seppo!

 

[ProjectBazza]

He must consider you a good mate then. Although if you’re American and he’s Aussie I’m surprised he doesn’t call you a Seppo!

Can't say I'm familiar with that one.....

 

[Righty]

Can't say I'm familiar with that one.....

Well it’s a bit rude, but basically Seppo or Septic as in Septic tank - Yank.
When the guys in the factory would give me a hard time and ask if I minded being called a Pom I’d say no as long as they didn’t mind me calling them a bunch of bread thieves or Skippies (Skippy the Kangaroo).
Basically I think the rule of thumb in Australia is the more curse words and the ruder the Knick name the better you get along.

 

[Dave999]

Rhyming slang septic tank---> yank a term of endearment probably....

Pom or POHMIE prisoner of her/his majesty in exile i.e "white" Australia was made up of those who went there to the "new world" because they wanted to... freely..... and those who were sent as prisoners on prison ships, that we in britain didn't want, i.e the judge said go to prison or be sent to Oz
many chose a better life than being stuck in a dank miserable prison in britain
hnce 1 section of the population could use a bit of a slur against the latest arrivals... depending on their transport arrangement

but we are talking a very very long time ago

this resulted in a very very male dominated society with a lack of the ladies about.... however there were a lot of sheep... quite a few who had escaped prison in britain ended up in prison again in Oz

ive brought the tone down somewhat...

Dave

 

[Dave999]

yes you can call an australian almost anything in jest, but be careful if you call him a joker....

 

[Righty]

Rhyming slang septic tank---> yank a term of endearment probably....

Pom or POHMIE prisoner of her/his majesty in exile i.e "white" Australia was made up of those who went there ti the "new world" because they wanted to... freely..... and those who were sent as prisoners on prison ships, that we in britain didn't want, i.e the judge said go to prison or be sent to Oz
many chose a better life than being stuck in a dank miserable prison in britain

but we are talking a very very long time ago

this resulted in a very very male dominated society with a lack of the ladies about.... however there were a lot of sheep... quite a few who had escaped prison in britain ended up in prison again in Oz

ive brought the tone down somewhat...

Dave

As the Vietnamese taxi driver said to me in Sydney, “you English are stupid, you sent your criminals to paradise and you all stayed in England.” He fell asleep twice driving at speed down the Anzac Parade!

 

[Righty]

Plenty of sheep! Classic.

 

[mcodecuda]

I wish that I had taken pictures of this car but it was before iPhones. I came across a 67 Barracuda fastback that was right hand drive in a junkyard near Binghamton New York. It was used to deliver mail and the only thing that I took off of it was the left hand mirror delete block off plate. This is the same plate that’s used on the 68 Hemi Darts and barracudas. As I recall I got a good buck for it.

 

[Bewy]

The 200-400 C bodies, called Dodge Phoenix's here. All 4 doors as Dave said earlier. 1965 was first year. 65 & 66 had Poly 318s & all were pillared. In 67 through to about 72, the last year, you could get pillared & came with 318. Or you could get pillarless with a 383.

 

[Bewy]

Another popular trick here was to remove the roof from VF/VG hardtops. Mostly done from about 1980 to the early 2000s....& mostly butchered by amateurs. Haven't seen for quite a while.

 

[- Marvin -]

In South Africa they built (oder only assembled) RHD Valiants (and Barracudas) but only with slant sixes:

 

[- Marvin -]

And they had the shifter - if column shifted - on the wrong side with the pnd backwords too

 

[Kern Dog]

The slant of the slant six favors the left hand drive markets but sure looks cramped for the Australians!

 

[- Marvin -]

 

[nutz]

With a remote power booster

 

[Dave999]

yeh chrysler RHS bodies from australia and i think in kit form from the US went to South africa
and they supplemented them with some others either US or south america basically Dart like 70s cars.
so they had aussie valiants and dart like cars at the same time along with their own version of a RHD barracuda
A south african car with a slant will have a Carter BBD or BBS but it will be branded "Ball and Ball", not Carter.


The australian cars went to many RHD countries
UK NZ Jamaica and the west indies japan pakistan india

The Australian designed borg warner gearboxes and axles were made in Australia Indonesia and South africa for local use in many makes

the borgwarner/ BTR / Spicer Axle M series covered live axle and IRS axles were used by
AUS Chrysler
AUS Ford (falcon cortina etc)
AUS GM Holden
US GM Chev and Pontiac (82-92 IROC z)
AUS Nissan
AUS Toyota
UK TVR
UK Marcos
UK Morgan
SA military
SA Ford (escort capri cortina granada)
SA chrysler
the IRS axles gave their technology to the dodge viper and later TVRs

M65 M66 M68 M75 M76 M78 M80 M88

the number is the inch size of the ring gear 65 = 6.5 inch

most were 25 spline half shaft until about 1975 then they went to a SAE28 spline like the US ford axle shafts

if you speak to you local Dana Spicer rep about these axles He/she will have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, yet 1000000s were sold...

Dave

 

[Righty]

yeh chrysler RHS bodies from australia and i think in kit form from the US went to South africa
and they supplemented them with some others either US or south america basically Dart like 70s cars.
so they had aussie valiants and dart like cars at the same time along with their own version of a RHD barracuda
A south african car with a slant will have a Carter BBD or BBS but it will be branded "Ball and Ball", not Carter.


The australian cars went to many RHD countries
UK NZ Jamaica and the west indies japan pakistan india

The Australian designed borg warner gearboxes and axles were made in Australia Indonesia and South africa for local use in many makes

the borgwarner/ BTR / Spicer Axle M series covered live axle and IRS axles were used by
AUS Chrysler
AUS Ford (falcon cortina etc)
AUS GM Holden
US GM Chev and Pontiac (82-92 IROC z)
AUS Nissan
AUS Toyota
UK TVR
UK Marcos
UK Morgan
SA military
SA Ford (escort capri cortina granada)
SA chrysler
the IRS axles gave their technology to the dodge viper and later TVRs

M65 M66 M68 M75 M76 M78 M80 M88

the number is the inch size of the ring gear 65 = 6.5 inch

most were 25 spline half shaft until about 1975 then they went to a SAE28 spline like the US ford axle shafts

if you speak to you local Dana Spicer rep about these axles He/she will have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, yet 1000000s were sold...

Dave

Dave where did you get all this info? It’s fascinating and depressing how much the big big 3 down under produced at their peak, it definitely wasn’t just knock down kits. The story of how they developed the Charger o a minuscule budget, I was reading about the P76 Leyland and the plans they had for that not just in Aus but globally, but it was killed off by the troubles Leyland were in back in the UK.

 

[Dave999]

well chatted to a lot of old blokes when i lived there...
annoyed the manufacturers when i lived there, by phoning or emailing and asking awkward questions, MotoSpecs sydney had a bunch of old fellas that used to work at Borg warner/BTR so you could pump them for info. that's how i got to know of the the less well known applications, also how i managed to get one of the last sets of square Halogen headlights out of Hella Australia...lovely quality.... better then the sealed beam candles from lucas etc

Read a lot of books there are 3 or so Valiant story/valiant charger books and its been covered in Australian Muscle Car magazine and NZ classic Car both of which i used to get when you could buy magazines
frequented a lot of Aussie message boards for a very long time, now all gone which is why i landed here...
asked a lot of question and have been PUT RIGHT on a lot of occasions....
kept an australian car on the road in Oz for 3 years and the UK for 20+ years


Yeah all of them suffered.
Leyland died due to industrial action and mismanagement at home in the UK
chrysler got killed off by US insisting they knew best, nobody down under really liked the post 71 body. driving a bulbous tank, sitting in a lazyboy during an OPEC Oil crisis, was not what the market needed. Hence the need for the charger... They managed a stay of execution due to the Valiant charger... It got them another 7 year before take over by Mitsubishi.

GM Holden
killed by US GMs cross charging model.

This is the most egregious one....its stinks, the others, mis management, this one deliberate.....
if what I have read in the press and seen reported is correct... you can't tell these days. everyone has an agenda ...

Small foreign based GM companies like holden, had to pay the US arm for the stuff they created or were forced to buy their own parts, as though they were imported from the US. Head office got a cut on every single transaction for every item used. GMs model/plan with both Holden and Vauxhall was that the governments in the UK and Australia would pile money into an ailing company to avoid unemployment, protect GDP and to keep some semblance of local car production going.
So GM US through its own convoluted charging model for parts and services kept these companies in the RED, barely afloat, and asked them to plead insolvency to the local government, even though they were selling great product at volume, and would have been showing a profit that made GM US look like the poor cousin.
GM US extracted those government subsidies from each foreign company to pay off the US debts and to make the US balance sheet look good.

GM basically extracted money from the UK and Australian Governments by making their smaller partners look like failing companies

they did it to SAAB and opel as well... so holden and vauxhall would have known what was coming....

When each government got wind of the situation they stopped the subsidies and GM jettisoned the company to the highest bidder or shut down the factory and in the case of Holden sold/moved the tooling, the rights to the technology and expertise to china.
Holden staff on the way to redundancy had to rebuild their production lines in china and train the staff... NICE!


Ford... who knows what they are up to? we build small diesel truck engines and that's about it now.

Everything is now stellantis
apart from ford, and apart from the fords that are actually Mazdas.... two door, small looks good and is not a mustang...probably a re badged mazda

Dave

 

[Bewy]

Ahhhh, the P76 Leyland in Oz. Ugly car & poor advertising, did not sell well. They advertised that you could fit a 44 gal [ 50 US gal ] drum in the trunk....
Have yet to meet anybody that wants to carry a 50 gal drum....

 

[Bewy]

More Aussie/Chrysler trivia....
- only three cars ever got 4bbl carbs. Rest were 2 or 1 bbl. VH Val Charger with 340 got a 625 Carter AVS; VJ Charger with 340 got the TQ; VG 4 door sedan option called the ' Hemi Pacer'. Chrysler introduced the 6 cyl 'hemi' engine in the VG model. There were 3 sizes: 215, 245 & 265 ci. The Pacer had a Carter 625 AVS paired with the 245 engine. The AVS model # was the same as that used on the 340.
- an option with the VH Charger was the 265 engine fitted with triple 45mm Weber side draft carbs. Known as the E49 option, it made 302 hp & did a 14.4 quarter.
- the 360 was an option in the VJ model. Many used by the police.

 

[Jim 68cuda]

Ahhhh, the P76 Leyland in Oz. Ugly car & poor advertising, did not sell well. They advertised that you could fit a 44 gal [ 50 US gal ] drum in the trunk....
Have yet to meet anybody that wants to carry a 50 gal drum....

And Chevy once advertised you could close the trunk of an Impala with a wedding cake inside...