Need advice on body & paint $$$$$

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  1. Moparnutt340

    Moparnutt340 Well-Known Member

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    IF YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL BODY MAN, I NEED YOUR INPUT
    IF NOT, BUT YOU HAD ONE PAINT YOUR RIDE, I NEED YOUR INPUT

    HOW MUCH IS A REASONABLE BODY AND PAINT, WHEN THE CAR IS ALREADY COMPLETELY STRIPPED DOWN FOR YOU

    Hi guys, I currently have my 71 Swinger stripped down to bare bones. A well known guy in my area, who is actually a good friend of mine has quoted me a price to do the body and paint. Orginally he said $10,000, at least. Then he had me strip the car myself, remove the vynel top, fenders, windows,....complete stripped.
    So now everything is visable, its going to get full factory rear quarters and the rear deck filler panel from AMD. All other panels are rust free but need to be stripped due to the 7 coats of paint on the car.
    My buddy said $10,000 is just to straighten, block, assemble & fit, then paint the car. Any other body work he says will be extra. we stripped 1 fender just to make sure of no surprises under the paint on the southern car, its perfect other than a few minor dings.
    So at this point he offers to strip both fenders, both doors, and the trunk lid, all inside and out for $1500. This includes stripping to bare metal, welding in all body molding holes, emblem holes, fixing all dents and imperfections, then applying a 2 part apoxy.

    I will be buying the rear body panels myself. Whats a fair price to install quarters and deck filler?
    After being all stripped to bare metal and in primer, the car will need to be assembled, blocked until its straight as an arrow, straightening the bod lines, then begin to paint inside doors, trunk, hood, engine bay, window channels, door jambs, trunk sills, and whatever else gets done before the body. Then after painting the body he says the car will be wet sanded and buffed to a show quality finish.
    Keeping in mind this guy is VERY good at what he dose, been doing it for over 40 years. Every car he's done wins many awards. And most cars he has done cost like $30,000 for body and paint. With that said, I know he is worth every penny he quoted me, BUT.....lol

    I have a budget which is quickly getting used up. Once I purchase the panels I need I'm already going to have slightly under the $10,000 as quoted. That's before installing the panels.

    Now to get to my questions?.............
    I need some input from Canadian members on this please. Only because I think its quite a bit cheaper to get things done in the U.S
    What is a reasonable price to pay for a good body and paint ?
    What should I be paying once the panels are all stripped and primed, and or new ?
    What is a reasonable price to remove the quarters and deck filler and installing new?

    THANKS !
     
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      ther aint no paint job worth 30k.i dont care what it is.if you would pay that you need your head axamined.
       
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      Fisher Old Guy with a Cool car.

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      I am not spending more that $4000 to paint my duster. Fucking body shops has a license to steal. When did it become more money to paint a car than build a motor.
       
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      maybe if floors replaced ,fenders,rockers ect.but still.
       
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      well I got anal raped for somewhere around 30k on mine but they did all the stripping and buried the actual body and paint in with the parts and labour for the resto which ended up around 50k total , not including upholstery and some bits and pieces that the car was missing from the start such as reverse lights and a couple of the interior pieces . If you can get body and paint from a real pro for 10k you should probably STFU and cut him a cheque eh ! especially if you know your getting 30k in value for 10k .

      PS I got quarters and inner fenders plus I bought a pair of mint fenders that had the lips rolled as well because they where perfect .
       
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      cannucky The Guy With No Birthday

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      Shop rate is 135 an hour minimum up hear , most places are 160-180 so have a couple of guys spend a couple of weeks and multiply that by shop rate .Then add materials , water borne base is 900 a gallon plus primer , clear etc.... Maybe that's why he said he only wanted to hear from Canadians eh -Reading it's fundamental .
       
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        cannucky The Guy With No Birthday

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        Right about the time they made it illegal to use real paint . 4k is what they get for a splash and dash around here .
         
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        Trust me, if I had the money I wouldn't be looking elsewhere
        My own opinion, I think its a reasonable price. Everyone else is telling me Im insane paying that much for a paint job. I would pay that much because I know how nice it will be in the end.
        Its simple, I don't have enough money left to pay what he wants so I have to get someone cheaper and hope the hell it turns out decent. I already have close to $50,000 into the car now and its not even painted, so trust me its not like Im afraid to spend money on my car. I just don't have any left
         
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        Wow!!!???????
         
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        cannucky The Guy With No Birthday

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        Yeah I hear you brother they held mine hostage for almost 2 years milking me along the way , problem is if you go elsewhere they are going to say they didn't do the base work so they won't stand by their work , maybe talk to your buddy and work something out to get it done in stages , like get it all in primer and get the jambs and engine bay etc ... done so you can do the re-assembly while saving for the final paint and polish .

        PS you should PM Scott -Pettybludart here on FABO he got run around on his Dart and found a guy there on southern Onterrible that fixed the first guys work and painted it for him pretty reasonable .
         
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        Most people that will not pay 10G's for a nice body and paint job have rat rods!
         
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        Moparnutt340 Well-Known Member

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        $4G's won't get you much for a paint job. Hell just paint supplies can run around $1500+
         
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        10k sounds about right down in the states for that work from what I have witnessed for a good full paint job. Usually the good high quality materials will cost around 2k when you count everything, welding material, filler, primer, paint, clear, paper, tape, rubbing/ polishing compound.
         
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        LOL, I already said if all I can afford is to get the body done I will drive the car next summer in apoxy coated flat black
         
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        ............I say that is a very reasonable price............Chris if u remember Dale's cuda he has a hell of a lot more than 10 Gs in the paint...........Up here a decent paint is 10 Gs, a good 1 15-16........an excellent 1 over 20..........and I wouldn't want to say how much show quality costs.............kim.........
         
      • Moparnutt340

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        As I keep trying to explain to my wife....There's a big difference between getting a $4500 repaint done on your newer car to getting a tear down restoration paint job on your classic.

        The last 10 years I have spent a lot of hours at my buddies garage watching some real big money jobs being done. I have learned how much time is invested in doing good body work. I also know how costly the supplies get when most people don't even think of the stuff like masking supplies, no idea how expensive sanding disc's are.........
         
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        well read this,you are getting hosed
         
      • Moparnutt340

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        That sound pretty much same as here I think.

        Now Im reading all this and I'm thinking to myself, I already know this is a great deal I can get from my friend so why even ask the questions I did. Problem is I just don't think I can pull it off, I don't have enough cash left and I don't see anywhere I could pull it from in the near future. I plan to have the car done and ready for the street before spring 2015
         
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        Did you read my first response ? hell a roll of decent masking tape cost 8 bucks 2 guys 2 1/2 weeks equals 200 hrs times $160 shop rate is 32k -bang , The OP gets it he's just at that moment where he's come to far to quit but deep down knows he needs to back off and build the bank back up , thats why I suggested the compromise of getting the epoxy prime and the hard to paint areas done so he can spend some time on the re-assembly while saving for the next push .Dale's car done yet or has he lost interest ?
         
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        here in Kamloops ,bc I just paid 13,500 to do paint/bodywork
        I stripped interior ,grill,bumpers, ---did some of the sanding/stripping/blocking
        car was completely stripped --pretty much a frame on restoration
        shop replaced both quarters,trunk extensions and outer wheelhouses
        I also replaced hood front fenders, all parts from amd worth 4,000
        total spent approx. was 18,500------ shop charged 55/hr @224 hrs worked------
        bruce
         
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          cannucky The Guy With No Birthday

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          It's a tough spot to be in for sure , what sort of work do you do ? maybe you can trade some hours or something ?
           
        • Moparnutt340

          Moparnutt340 Well-Known Member

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          That is some good info right there.
          Sounds almost exactly the same as where I am currently.
          The only things left on my car is the dash, rear-end, and steering and some old tires on steelies.
          I have began stripping the paint off the body, cleaned all around the rear quarters to be remove. I plan to strip the engine bay before it goes anywhere too.

          there will be minimal prep work to be done and they can get right at putting it together to prime and start blocking
           
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          Wish I could do that but I'm a die-cast operator in a factory.
          I may just put that out there to him and see if he needs anything done with his house.
          I am handy with construction, renovated my entire home and built my own shop.

          Hell now I sound like I'm advertising, I do flooring, drywall, framing, plumbing, wiring, windows, siding............. anyone...........lol
           
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          is he doing the undermeath and inside the car like paint the floor pans and stuff.it doesnt sound like theres no real rust issues to deal with so personnaly i thin your getting raped.i feel between 4-6 grand complete and put together.here in ontario like 80 bux an hour shop rate 40-50 hours work should get it together 100 percent.try calling windsor collision and ask for dino they do dam good work and depending how close you are you could take it to them or send them some pics
           
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          Last winter I stripped the floor underneath from the lower firewall area to the back bumper, including the rear-end. It was all stripped to bare meal and painted black. New SS leaf's, mini tubbed and frame connectors installed. Then the floors and trunk were all painted as well.
           
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