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  1. Oldmanmopar

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    My son got a motor today. It has been stored inside for over 15 years. It is burried in a pickers warehouse. What does the info decipher on the block. I know its a 69 440 , E440. what does the other info in the picture tell,

    E440 sideways B
    D.LOC
    11 22

    thanks for your help. Steve

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  2. yellow rose

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    I think (going by my always faulty memory) that is an over the counter replacement block. I think. I have no way of looking up those codes but I'm sure someone does.
     
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    • Dana67Dart

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      I think you need to take it to a dermatologest. It looks like it has a fungus infection at the oil pan.

      E440 = 69 model year, 440 cu in

      D.LOC = ?

      D= ?
      L = low compression?
      O=?
      C=?

      11 22 = assembly 11/22/68 for 69 model year

      That's the best I could come up with.

      What is the casting number?
       
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      • oldkimmer

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        Wouldn’t 11/22/69 be for the 1970 model year. Kim
         
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          Fat fingered and fixed
           
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          No E = 69 so it would be 11-22-68
           
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          That is right. Kim
           
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          I never saw D.LOC sideways B on any block. It has all ARP bolts and studs including oil pan studs. We will go back next week and pic it up. It is buried in a warehouse. It has a gold SFI approved flex plate. From what we could see and feel it looks to have an 8 bolt crank The pictures you see are from my son holding his camera in among the pile of items on top of it.

          The carb looked different I never saw one like it . we held the camera down under it for the damper shot to check for a cast crank damper . It is on an engine stand ready to break from the weight on it. it is complete from fan to flexplate and tall air cleaner to Milodon deep pan. new power steering pump and alternator are in place with belts. the distributor was polished an only has one wire that I could see.

          It is going to take the man a week to clear a way to it. We could barely climb to it. We are taking the loader down with us to reach over the pile to get it out. How the man got it is he owns a long row of storage garages there and at other locations . I asked him if there was a car left behind with the motor. He said yes a very old dodge or Chrysler that was taken to another location in fountain hill Pa. We will be going there. He was not sure of the year he just said very old that they were putting the motor in. We paid $250 for the motor and said if we help uncover the car and parts same price for that. from what the man said they were building an old street rod. the man must have died he never came back.

          This warehouse is over 200 foot long and 30 feet wide 20 foot ceiling . Piled from ceiling to foor with so much you can't see what is in there. When he opened the door "Dave". member 1969383valiant said wow every but the kitchen sink and then we saw it. The "kitchen sink"

          How we found it was an electrician that wants head work done saw it when doing work there. He mentioned it to one of my sons workers. I am going back with two trucks a loader and a trailer. You never know? He was putting a window in another big garage across the street that you could see a old camaro sticking out of a pile. He is 72 years old and knows nothing about cars. My sons young worker is only into Tuner cars . Here are two more pictures he took holding his camera in the pile.

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            Good luck with your quest. Looks like an interesting pick.
            Treasure hunting is always fun.
             
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            • Garrett Ellison

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              I'm fairly confident the L.OC was an early Low Compression abbreviation. There was an A stamping for .020 O.S. cylinder bores. I once had a 76T HP E (cast crank engine) from a police car that had a sideways F mark on the pad. I wish I had pulled a piston and rod to measure before I traded it off. I suspect other alphabetical markings are indicative of other bore over sizes, but were stamped sideways or backwards to prevent them for being mistaken for the letter year stamping. Darksideracing shows B as .010 undersized crank journals but other sites show Maltese cross with an X for rods and mains, RX for rods, and MX for mains .010 undersized. I don’t know if you had planned on tearing it down, but if it has the stock internals in it you may be able to measure and share your findings with us.
               
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              On this picture below there is a single up and down cast line under the valve cover. These heads had two side by side like this ll. any one know what these heads are with dual lines. We could not get any other info off of the heads.

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              Shouldn't there be VIN marks on it somewhere though? I know if you bought a block across the counter it had no VIN associated with it. DC was selling T/A blocks with no VIN over the counter as race blocks until the X block was released.

              I've never seen an OTC 440, but I have seen a few OTC Hemi dong beaters and they had numbers like that, with out VIN numbering.

              Like I said, haven't seen anything like that in years so I may be wrong.

              Edit: I also didn't realize it was basically complete. It looks to have a Milodon Super Stock pan on it.
               
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              • Garrett Ellison

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                VIN should be on the left side above pan rail at the starter opening on 68 and later blocks. That area looks to be somewhat obscure in the picture. From the sound of the hoard, just thankful no one got hurt on the dig back through the pile. Here is the most accurate information I’ve found on big block ID on the inter web. Moparts on the Web - Main Index
                 
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                We did not see a pan rail number. But feeling up the front it may have the drilled bosses for a M-code car. Would the OTC block have these mount holes?

                I was wondering about the double lines on the heads?

                It is definitely a built motor all the bolts head and flex plate are ARP. it looks like they bought a long block and added an intake and manifolds to install it in a street car. From what we could see it looks like it came out of a race car.
                 
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                • halifaxhops

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                  Nice!
                   
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                    That's a good question about the drilled bosses for an M-code car. I don't know.


                    BTW...is there a notch cut into the pan or is that a weird shadow in the picture?
                     
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                    • Oldmanmopar

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                      Look at the pictures of the 1969 blocks below from 440 sorce . The drain plug in the block location? and the strengthening ribs?. The drain plug looks simular to the later cold weather industrial blocks. The last picture is of the industrial block it looks close but it is different.

                      First picture is a early block without the rib

                      Second stated on 69 model on E440 code

                      Third is the industrial cold weather block

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                      The block above looks close but its not. There is no casting numbereither
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                      • Oldmanmopar

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                        That is a notch in the pan rail. on the block.
                         
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                        I just noticed after you mentioned it that the industrial block has a notch in the pan rail as you noticed. But this block is still different. The webbing is totally different
                         
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                        I wouldn’t really worry about it till it was packed safely away in MY garage on MY engine stand. Anything you find inside is a BONUS. Looks like a nice find.
                         
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                          I am just curious. Its like looking at a present under the tree we can't open until next weekend. Its just bothering us . What did we find and what else is there we can't see?
                           
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                            Just be careful of snakes in the grass if you know what I mean. Some guys will go to any lengths to steal another man’s deal. I could tell you some crazy stories
                             
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                              found this in a old Dodgecharger.com forum

                              I own a 1968 Charger R/T 440 Magnum Auto. The last 8 of the VIN are stamped on the trans on top of the flange where it meets the block by the oil sensor. The Stamp on the rad support and trunk lid matched the fender tag (before they were painted over by a non-Mopar understanding paint shop) but the block is a bit unusual. First question: what is the correct color for my block? Turquoise or orange? I know the 440 magnum was orange after 1968 but in the 1968 Charger I was told it should be turquoise. True? Next, my build date off the fender tag is August 16th. So it was one of the very first "coke bottle" Chargers built. The block is stamped on the milled surface next to the coolant intake: D440 A B 96 (the D440 is top left, the A is sideways in the 0 of the 440, the B is sideways over on the right in the middle of the pad and the 96 i on the bottom about 1/3 of the way from the left.) There is no stamp on the block near the trans stamp. One set of casting numbers on the passenger side of the block read 4.4.67 (April 4th 1967 casting date). The guy who has done a lot of the work on the car found a stamp on the driver side of the block on milled surface where the oil pan attaches that matches the last 8 of the VIN. There is also a strin of 7 numbers on the bottom of the block's milled surface at the back drivers side corner of the block that runs across the back where the trans pan meets the edge of the block. What do you think? Is it the matching block? I will try to get some pics but I have had very little luck getting anything that comes out.

                              If the numbers on the top of the bellhousing and on the side of the block match the VIN you have a number matching car...end of argument. The back-to-back numbers on the top were one configuration and the top/side was another. '69 and later are both on the side.

                              The numbers stamped in the pan rail under the starter are the engine serial number, not found on all motors.

                              The stampings on the top pad identify a '68 440, the A and B signify .020" oversized pistons and .010" undersized crank while the 9 6 is the build date September 6 (1967).
                               
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                                Already had the man getting the head done pay him and we have his eclipse race head. his garage is right next to the motor and he works for my son. I don't think there will be a problem with who was with us. But I know what you mean about snakes.
                                 
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                                  Appears to have some kind of composite pan gasket?
                                   
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