Newbie 318 piston question

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Has anyone tried using 273 hip recipe on a 318? closed chamber heads the 273 type piston etc?

that is literally what i just posted.

bump the compression with pistons and 302's are close chambered heads...

EDIT: apologies, that was on another 318 thread. anyway, here's the recipe

zero deck, flat top piston of choice (i used KB167's), felpro 1008's, 10:1 (static), purple shaft P4452761 (.450"/.455" 268/272 110LSA 108cl), 302's with a 3 angle and pocket port/bowl blend, port matched to a performer RPM, 750 3310 on top, TTI long tubes.
 
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318 can be fun when trying to figure this out always seems to be a hurdle though with the LA 318
1. The block cant be bored to 4 inch
2. the down in the hole pistons with pressed wrist pins and somewhat limited selection of pistons
3. the heads
4. the compression ratio in general
5. the low rpm powerband
1. Some can, early car & 318-3 truck blocks are supposed to have slightly thicker bores but I would sonic test before boring to 4". My 73 block sonic checked pretty good but I opted for a +0.060" bore so I could rebuild it later at 4" if I keep it long enough.
2. Swap the pistons and bush the rods to run floating pins? Or swap the oem rods for aftermarket rods with bushes & upgraded bolts in them already.
3. Speedmaster heads are cheap and good for around 250cfm out of the box. 63cc chamber
4. See 2 & 3
5. Put a different cam in it?
 
I believe it applies only at high rpm no? like that's where the airflow in the cylinders would be effected. i bring this up because with the 340 heads 6000 rpm was the goal to be met. they had an advertisement for the 340 Swinger in 69 and 70 that read 6000 rpm all day for $2800 its a quick throttle response RPMs up quick plenty of torque and HP throughout up past 500-5500 RPM. that was 340 i think when building a 318 this has top be acknowledged that's why the big valve heads and shrouding come up in a serious conversation I would think at the least there would be turbulence at high RPM disrupting the airflow etc. Im guessing in a 318 well below 6000 RPM
You truely do not know what you are talking about. If you build a 318 using all the 340 parts, heads intake carb exhaust cam valve springs, it will run just like a 340. You should actually do something, rather than theoretically throw nonsense out there. I used to take a 318 and add 360 heads, used 340 intake, carb, windage tray, high pressure oil pump spring, 340 valve springs, a good cam, and a 340 double roller timing set. It was all cheap and they would run just like a 340. You did not even need 2.02 intake valves, 1.88 were good enough. As a matter of fact the same formula worked on Chevrolet, Ford, or any other brand engine. Find the good flowing heads and put them on any size Chevrolet add a cam and go. I built a lot of 289's and 302's with 351 Windsor heads and stainless steel Chevy valves. What a sweet combination that was. You start with good heads and go from there.
 
Has anyone tried using 273 hip recipe on a 318? closed chamber heads the 273 type piston etc? I think Uncle Tonys 318 had the closed chamber head the one in the 72 Coronet. Knowing him though he probaly had flipped down in the hole 318 pistons need to get the pistons up and cut valve releifs etc.

318 can be fun when trying to figure this out always seems to be a hurdle though with the LA 318
1. The block cant be bored to 4 inch
2. the down in the hole pistons with pressed wrist pins and somewhat limited selection of pistons
3. the heads
4. the compression ratio in general
5. the low rpm powerband

now looking at this why not try and eliminate some or all of it by using a different engine?

seems like common sense no? i think a 273 commando eliminates 3 off that list
1. the down in the hole pistons
2. compression ratio
3. the rpm/power band

340 we just wont go there no need to i think(hope) someone will get it.
no offence but you don't half sound like 'dan the man' :poke: :rofl:
 
no offence but you don't half sound like 'dan the man' :poke: :rofl:
Im sharing thoughts not really trying to sway folks just get them to think. i don know 318 willrun but you have to consider hes a Youtuber trying to build a channel on 318 of course he will beat that drum to get views and subs. Its ok the 318 has a fan base but lets not over hype what that LA 318 in particular really is I mean all you have with that is the same crank dimensions as a 340 thats where it ends. Watch where Mission impssible ends up and ask to see the dyno pulls and receipts. if you all arent into asking these facts you aren't really serious IMO. in the end 318s are too expensive to mod for the power gained from other easier choice engines. a 318 is a ok build for a low 200 HP range expectation I wouldnt consider it for anything else.
I have noticed you 318 guys talk alot of crap like "well 340s aren't available" there's one in the classifieds right now on this forum for $3800 dollars if you have money to dump into a 318 you can buy that 340 and be done and that thing looks ready to go or it needs pushrods I think it says. either way its always bench racing with you folks is all it is
 
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Im sharing thoughts not really trying to sway folks just get them to think. i don know 318 willrun but you have to consider hes a Youtuber trying to build a channel on 318 of course he will beat that drum to get views and subs. Its ok the 318 has a fan base but lets not over hype what that LA 318 in particular really is I mean all you have with that is the same crank dimensions as a 340 thats where it ends. Watch where Mission impssible ends up and ask to see the dyno pulls and receipts. if you all arent into asking these facts you aren't really serious IMO. in the end 318s are too expensive to mod for the power gained from other easier choice engines. a 318 is a ok build for a low 200 HP range expectation I wouldnt consider it for anything else.
Still wrong, did it all the time back in the day, really cheap. But I don't limit myself.
 
Still wrong, did it all the time back in the day, really cheap. But I don't limit myself.
How does he think a 318 is way more expensive when your basically talking the same parts :)

There's no talking to him, he thinks were all in a Uncle Tony and now seems like a 318willrun Cult lol.
 
Im sharing thoughts not really trying to sway folks just get them to think. i don know 318 willrun but you have to consider hes a Youtuber trying to build a channel on 318 of course he will beat that drum to get views and subs. Its ok the 318 has a fan base but lets not over hype what that LA 318 in particular really is I mean all you have with that is the same crank dimensions as a 340 thats where it ends. Watch where Mission impssible ends up and ask to see the dyno pulls and receipts. if you all arent into asking these facts you aren't really serious IMO. in the end 318s are too expensive to mod for the power gained from other easier choice engines. a 318 is a ok build for a low 200 HP range expectation I wouldnt consider it for anything else.
where's the red x when you need it ffs! no offence to dan the man but he was a theoretical obsessive too, know all, know nothing except what he read on the internet which must be true as it's on the internet :BangHead:
318willrun is a respected member who has as many 340's as 318's and openly states the 340 is better, check out his 318 v 340 thread. thing is not everyone has a 340, many have a 318. i don't know where the 200hp number comes from, oh yes i do.... the internet :rofl:
 

How does he think a 318 is way more expensive when your basically talking the same parts :)

There's no talking to him, he thinks were all in a Uncle Tony and now seems like a 318willrun Cult lol.
He probably has me on ignore as I can't take the bologna he keeps trying to sell. I love 340's and they are heavier duty, but at the level most people would build a small block the 318 is strong enough, cast crank and all. Plus 318 pistons are lighter as well as the early bushed rods. As you know, power is in the heads.
 
where's the red x when you need it ffs! no offence to dan the man but he was a theoretical obsessive too, know all, know nothing except what he read on the internet which must be true as it's on the internet :BangHead:
318willrun is a respected member who has as many 340's as 318's and openly states the 340 is better, check out his 318 v 340 thread. thing is not everyone has a 340, many have a 318. i don't know where the 200hp number comes from, oh yes i do.... the internet :rofl:
And guess he didn't bother to watch any of 318willrun's videos who was that before youtube, where he got low cr 340 performance for like $500 out of a 318 :) (basically cam 4bbl and minor porting)
 
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He probably has me on ignore as I can't take the bologna he keeps trying to sell.
I know he has me on ignore :)
I love 340's and they are heavier duty, but at the level most people would build a small block the 318 is strong enough, cast crank and all. Plus 318 pistons are lighter as well as the early bushed rods. As you know, power is in the heads.
I don't think there one person saying a 318 is better than a 340, just that a 318 is a very capable more than people like him want to give credit especially at the power levels most are gonna build one at 225-425 hp or so. He talks about us over hyping which I do not see, most are honest about there cons, unlike the throw a 360 into everything crowd. If they didn't act like to build a 318 you need Nascar level of resources to get 350 hp I wouldn't have much to say on the subject.
 
I just finished a 399 short block. Should be fun for what it is. I live at 4100 above sea level so that is always a factor. Its crazy the amount of off base information concerning these pistons. I bought mine years ago so I do not have todays high costs to factor in.

For mine staring out im just using a really nice set of 75 318 castings (318 pre mag roller block) that were off an untouched 318 that had an easy life. New elgin valves and I think im gonna try the Elgin 935P cam I have laying around. I paid like $120 cam/lifters long ago. Some old but new erson 915021 springs after break in. Bob weight in the high 1800 gram area. Also using the unpopular sir rods that imo are fine for simple street fun.

Ive never understood the hate for the 318. No one is forced to build or not build one. IMO its more fun and challenging then some of our big inch long stroke motors even past the normal 4 inch crank. To me the real kicker is that even 15 years ago our old mopars could still clean up the local streets on a sat. night but not so much any more. Much currently is like a knife at a gunfight and the laws have become so stern some of us do not want a record at over 60.

Here again being at 4100 ft even the closed chamber al heads do not seem to be enough at times with a zero deck 4 inch crank so although not popular domes have a place for a middle of the road type build. I use these for the closed chamber al. style head and they work well.

Build for your altitude. So many overlook that one factor.

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where's the red x when you need it ffs! no offence to dan the man but he was a theoretical obsessive too, know all, know nothing except what he read on the internet which must be true as it's on the internet :BangHead:
318willrun is a respected member who has as many 340's as 318's and openly states the 340 is better, check out his 318 v 340 thread. thing is not everyone has a 340, many have a 318. i don't know where the 200hp number comes from, oh yes i do.... the internet :rofl:
Before you start spunning this bs into something its not I didnt insult your boy 318 wr I simply meant he will beat the 318 drum for his fansand does.The La 318 is nothing special never was never will be and thats the extent of it
 
Im sharing thoughts not really trying to sway folks just get them to think. i don know 318 willrun but you have to consider hes a Youtuber trying to build a channel on 318 of course he will beat that drum to get views and subs. Its ok the 318 has a fan base but lets not over hype what that LA 318 in particular really is I mean all you have with that is the same crank dimensions as a 340 thats where it ends. Watch where Mission impssible ends up and ask to see the dyno pulls and receipts. if you all arent into asking these facts you aren't really serious IMO. in the end 318s are too expensive to mod for the power gained from other easier choice engines. a 318 is a ok build for a low 200 HP range expectation I wouldnt consider it for anything else.
I have noticed you 318 guys talk alot of crap like "well 340s aren't available" there's one in the classifieds right now on this forum for $3800 dollars if you have money to dump into a 318 you can buy that 340 and be done and that thing looks ready to go or it needs pushrods I think it says. either way its always bench racing with you folks is all it is
tell me you know nothing about building engines without telling me you know nothing about building engines.

you can make 300hp with a 318 damn near falling out of bed with basic parts.

fact: 340's are more expensive than 318's. go price some buildable cores or short blocks or even running engines. that $3800 340 in the classifieds is a SOLIDLY a smooth grand away from being in a car and running. a 318 built to the same specs would be 2~25 ALL day. even a 360 dressed the same would be easily 800~1K less.

it's not bench racing for me, i do the work. i put in the time. i've bought the parts and built the ****. meanwhile all you do is stroke your goat about how 318's are boat anchors time and time again.

it's like you asked 318 to the dance and they said no, so now you're all: whatever, 318's are all ugly anyway and i didn't even want to go to the dance.

look, nobody is saying a 318 is a 340. it's just that it's a viable engine that is available and affordable and can make decent power with basic upgrades.
 
tell me you know nothing about building engines without telling me you know nothing about building engines.

you can make 300hp with a 318 damn near falling out of bed with basic parts.

fact: 340's are more expensive than 318's. go price some buildable cores or short blocks or even running engines. that $3800 340 in the classifieds is a SOLIDLY a smooth grand away from being in a car and running. a 318 built to the same specs would be 2~25 ALL day. even a 360 dressed the same would be easily 800~1K less.

it's not bench racing for me, i do the work. i put in the time. i've bought the parts and built the ****. meanwhile all you do is stroke your goat about how 318's are boat anchors time and time again.

it's like you asked 318 to the dance and they said no, so now you're all: whatever, 318's are all ugly anyway and i didn't even want to go to the dance.

look, nobody is saying a 318 is a 340. it's just that it's a viable engine that is available and affordable and can make decent power with basic upgrades.
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