No Fuel Pressure after driving car.

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I finally got my 1970 Duster 340 back on the road after installing a rebuilt 727. I was out testing the thing and 2 times it left me with no fuel pressure after a short ride. I am thinking fuel sock. I get it back in my shop and it will idle for 30 min at 5psi the next day.
 
Pull jt apart, and find out... Fwiw, what's your hot rod build, and current fuel system..? This information, might help us, to help you.....
 
Pull jt apart, and find out... Fwiw, what's your hot rod build, and current fuel system..? This information, might help us, to help you.....
It is coming apart for sure. I plan to replace the tank and lines and rubber lines. It has a carter strip mechanical pump around 2 years old. I have a regulator on it set at 5psi.
 
Did it act like it was out of gas? Shut down, wait 10 minutes then it started back up? If so, may be a vapor lock issue? I experienced this with my Dart. I moved the fuel line 3/8" away from the passenger side header, never happened again.
 
Did it act like it was out of gas? Shut down, wait 10 minutes then it started back up? If so, may be a vapor lock issue? I experienced this with my Dart. I moved the fuel line 3/8" away from the passenger side header, never happened again.
It was longer then 10 minutes. Fuel line has been that way for many years and never had this problem. Being that it is original tank and lines I ordered a new tank and 3/8 line. Hopefully this will resolve this issue.
 
Could it be a venting issue???

Open the gas cap after the pressure drops and see if it comes back...
 
Could it be a venting issue???

Open the gas cap after the pressure drops and see if it comes back...
I haven't been able to get it to drop. It only dropped to zero when out driving it. I let it idle the other day at 1000 rpm for 30 mins and drove it up and down my long driveway and back to my shop and no issues.
 
I haven't been able to get it to drop. It only dropped to zero when out driving it. I let it idle the other day at 1000 rpm for 30 mins and drove it up and down my long driveway and back to my shop and no issues.

If it's a venting issue, you should hear the pressure release when you open the gas cap...

If venting is fine, then there will be no release of pressure when you open the cap after running it...

Just trying to throw more ideas in the hat...
 
If it's a venting issue, you should hear the pressure release when you open the gas cap...

If venting is fine, then there will be no release of pressure when you open the cap after running it...

Just trying to throw more ideas in the hat...
I will keep that in mind. What would cause a venting issue? The gas cap is a challenger style flip it is a 1970 non ecs tank.
 
I will keep that in mind. What would cause a venting issue? The gas cap is a challenger style flip it is a 1970 non ecs tank.

If the tank is not properly vented, then the air cannot replace the space that the gas you used takes up and creates a pressure back-up, similar to trying to suck liquid out of a straw with your finger on the other end... It can't do it if air cannot get in to replace the volume that the liquid displaces... If this happens, then you need more venting on the tank so air can come in to replace the space the fuel that you used took up...
 
If the tank is not properly vented, then the air cannot replace the space that the gas you used takes up and creates a pressure back-up, similar to trying to suck liquid out of a straw with your finger on the other end... It can't do it if air cannot get in to replace the volume that the liquid displaces... If this happens, then you need more venting on the tank so air can come in to replace the space the fuel that you used took up...
Thanks for that information. I received my tank and lines today from year one and will install them next month. I will make sure the vent line is blown out good that runs next to filler neck.
 
I like to point to the rear jumper from the in-tank pick-up to the hard line. The factory puts band-clamps on these which work for decades. But when most guys replace that short line, they use gear-clamps. Well gear-clamps introduce two little areas right next to the screw-receiver that tend to not seal. Because the jumper is higher than the fuel in the tank, it doesn't leak gas. But the pump can easily suck air there.
If I have to use gear-clamps anywhere on a fuel system,I use two per joint, and stagger them 180*. Mostly I won't use them. If you do it this way, you also do not have to tighten the clamps to nearly squeeze-the-chit-outof-them.
This same thing can occur right at the jumper next to the fuelpump. However this one can leak fuel.
And I no longer install a filter on the pressure side, choosing instead to run the hard line with smooth shallow bends,all the way to the carb.

If the engine stalls, and you have no pressure after driving one mile, and the tank is properly vented, then it has to be one of four things;
1) the float bowls are empty, and the valves are hung open
2) the supply line is full of air,or severely restricted, or
3) the pump is not working properly
OR
4) the engine is flooded, due to hung-open floatvalves, as in defective, or possibly compromised with debris.
I'd be doing a fuel volume test. I would fill the carb bowls, redirect the pump-output into a tip-over proof container, and measure the pump output over 30 seconds at 1000 rpm. Then compare that to it's spec. I would run the fuel thru a section of clear line and watch for bubbles. Or if a clear line is not available,I would be sure to keep the delivery end submerged in the fuel,and watch it closely for bubbles. I keep the collection bottle higher than the pump, cuz the bubbles will exit better.
In your case, I would mark the collection bottle as to the liquid level,at the 30 second mark, and continue to run the engine to a stall, still watching for bubbles, and continuous proportional output. I would also run a timer to see how long the engine will run at 1000 rpm on only the fuel in the bowl.

If this proves to be OK, then I would pressure test the valves, starting at 6 psi and working to 10. If they blow off or leak, replace them.

But if the valves hold pressure and the pump is not sucking air or failing to deliver adequate fuel (and the tank vent is working);then I would look into fuel boiling. In your case, if the fuel was boiling in the carb, enough to stall the engine after just one mile, then fuel vapors should be pouring up from the airhorn. This would be a dead giveaway to bad valves or boiling fuel.

But I just have to add; my 367 running at 205*F and with aluminum heads,uncoated TTIs, and with a 7-blade thermostatically clutched fan, phew, puts a tremendous amount of heat into the underhood environment. I have taken no steps in trying to keep the fuel cool, other than,I do have an AG manifold and fresh air into the carb. And I never have fuel problems, not since 1999. Mind you our hottest summer days here rarely exceed 38*C, or 100*F. But I don't see that as an excuse, cuz the underhood environment will be at least 2.5 to 3 times that and possible 4 times, for brief WOT periods.
 
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Update to my fuel pressure issue.
I did some testing today and drove the car a short distance and had no problem today. But with the new tank and 3/8 line sitting in the box I decided to get after removing the tank. Back up on Hoist I had tank out in 30 Min. It is full of trash and pickup is half broken. Lots of rust on top inside original tank. The brass fuel sender was full of fuel. Next step I will remove the original 5/16 line.

Aj I like the idea of the jumper lines and clamps. I am not sure if I should use a 3/8 band clamp or 2 3/8 gear clamps.

and 70 Duster crate it is not the liquid filled type. I have one of those also and it was sitting for years and it was inop out of box when I tried it last week.

One possible problem that could have caused sucking air is the canister fuel filter I use in the engine bay. it is super old and been in there for 30 years. But to be honest I think the trash in the tank was clogging my pickup and restricting fuel flow.

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That sending unit looks repairable. There's 3 places I know of that do the restorations if needed:
Fuel tank sending unit rebuild service
Rebuilt Fuel Sending Unit Specialist
Home

You might be able to get away with just replacing the float:
Amazon.com: Omix-Ada 17729.01 Fuel Tank Plastic Float: Automotive

and the strainer sock:
Amazon.com: ACDelco 5651705 GM Original Equipment Fuel Pump Strainer: Automotive

Yes both of those will fit, I use them on my OEM fuel sending unit. They work perfectly.

See additional info in this thread:
Fuel tank sending unit for 1966 Dart?

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Oh also the Chrysler part # for a new sending unit gasket is 6031475...but it seems to be cheaper to get Dorman 579006 which is a new gasket and lock ring. Do not throw away your OEM lock ring, often times that's the only one you can get to seal properly, even if the new tank came with a lock ring.
 
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That's looking all too familiar. It wasn't as bad when I was just imagining it,lol.
The bad news is the inside of the supply line could be looking all varnished up like that too. So if you clean it out chemically with one of those while-you-drive recipes, it will clog your filter. Keep a couple of spares in the GB, until things settle down.
Oh Wait, I see you are replacing the lines too, good move!
 
Update to my fuel pressure issue.
I did some testing today and drove the car a short distance and had no problem today. But with the new tank and 3/8 line sitting in the box I decided to get after removing the tank. Back up on Hoist I had tank out in 30 Min. It is full of trash and pickup is half broken. Lots of rust on top inside original tank. Next step I will remove the original 5/16 line.

Aj I like the idea of the jumper lines and clamps. I am not sure if I should use a 3/8 band clamp or 2 3/8 gear clamps.

and 70 Duster crate it is not the liquid filled type. I have one of those also and it was sitting for years and it was inop out of box when I tried it last week.

One possible problem that could have caused sucking air is the canister fuel filter I use in the engine bay. it is super old and been in there for 30 years. But to be honest I think the trash in the tank was clogging my pickup and restricting fuel flow.
That's looking all too familiar. It wasn't as bad when I was just imagining it,lol.
The bad news is the inside of the supply line could be looking all varnished up like that too. So if you clean it out chemically with one of those while-you-drive recipes, it will clog your filter. Keep a couple of spares in the GB, until things settle down.
Oh Wait, I see you are replacing the lines too, good move!
Yes I Just installed the new 3/8th stainless line about 30 min ago. Having the hoist made this job easy to do.

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That sending unit looks repairable. There's 3 places I know of that do the restorations if needed:
Fuel tank sending unit rebuild service
Rebuilt Fuel Sending Unit Specialist
Home

You might be able to get away with just replacing the float:
Amazon.com: Omix-Ada 17729.01 Fuel Tank Plastic Float: Automotive

and the strainer sock:
Amazon.com: ACDelco 5651705 GM Original Equipment Fuel Pump Strainer: Automotive

Yes both of those will fit, I use them on my OEM fuel sending unit. They work perfectly.

See additional info in this thread:
Fuel tank sending unit for 1966 Dart?

EDIT:
Oh also the Chrysler part # for a new sending unit gasket is 6031475...but it seems to be cheaper to get Dorman 579006 which is a new gasket and lock ring. Do not throw away your OEM lock ring, often times that's the only one you can get to seal properly, even if the new tank came with a lock ring.
I ordered one online 3/8th line. $55 shipped. Also waiting on that and the 3/8 clips. I will keep that in mind about the oem lock ring. Year in supplied one with the new tank btw.
 
I ordered one online 3/8th line. $55 shipped. Also waiting on that and the 3/8 clips. I will keep that in mind about the oem lock ring. Year in supplied one with the new tank btw.
In case you aren't familiar with aftermarket sending units see this thread for advice:
Fuel tank sending unit for 1966 Dart?

You will have to do some tinkering to make it work right. At least you have the new tank out of the car. When you get the aftermarket sending unit make sure the pickup tube reaches all the way to the bottom of the tank. My aftermarket sender wasn't anywhere near the bottom of the tank I had to bend it 2-3" down. You should be able to test fit it and check the pickup tube by looking through the filler neck hole.

Don't throw away the old sending unit. It looks rough but can be restored. You could sell it on here easily.
 
Also after inpecting the fuel sender float it looked like it expanded and blew out then filled with fuel.

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In case you aren't familiar with aftermarket sending units see this thread for advice:
Fuel tank sending unit for 1966 Dart?

You will have to do some tinkering to make it work right. At least you have the new tank out of the car. When you get the aftermarket sending unit make sure the pickup tube reaches all the way to the bottom of the tank. My aftermarket sender wasn't anywhere near the bottom of the tank I had to bend it 2-3" down. You should be able to test fit it and check the pickup tube by looking through the filler neck hole.

Don't throw away the old sending unit. It looks rough but can be restored. You could sell it on here easily.
I will definitely read that thread and hope the one bought from a reputable supplier will match the original one. I have no plans to throw anything away.
 
I will definitely read that thread and hope the one bought from a reputable supplier will match the original one. I have no plans to throw anything away.
It will not be like the OEM sending unit. All new sending units are linear unfortunately.

You can either get used to your fuel gauge being off or get a Meter Match. There are several threads on this forum about the Meter Match and most people seem to have success with it.
 
Also here are some photos of the inside of the original tank. It dried overnight. Lots of stuff in the tank and unfortunately some of it was from when I had the car in highschool in early 90s in body shop. Some of the stoners were jealous of the car and dumped what was from dust pan into tank hole. I am surprised the original tank held up so long as I raced this car over 300 times in the 90s in Texas.

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