Oiling system choices on 408....need opinions!

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Let me know what you think....in the build process

Street\Strip......more strip

408 LA engine with Eddy heads, 6200~6500 max, not going with roller cam at this time.

Melling M72HV
Hardened pump shaft
Milodon 30940 pan (8 quart)
Milodon 18345 pickup
Short Wix filter
No windage tray
3/4 groove Federal Mogul mains

Thanks.
 
go down to a std oil pump with the HP spring kit from MP. Enlarge main feeds to 9/32, use a windage tray with that deep pan. If you want to run the HV pump, run the clearances on the high side (.0025) on mains and rods, and run full groove bearings. That will help the heat generation and hp robbing.
 
Thanks Moper......

concerning the windage tray, are there any available that do not require modifying for the longer stroke? From all that I have read, all of them require some dinging, beating, grinding, which I have no problem in doing, but just want to minimize that.
 
Hey Moper I notice you usually recommend the std volume pump with the high pressure spring kit. What's the diff with that compared to the hv pump with the low pressure spring it comes with? You mentioned if using the hv pump loosen up the bearing clearances and run full groove mains to reduce the hp robbed and heat built up. It seems to me that no matter what pump you run if say for example your oil pressure max runs at 55 lbs warm the heat built up will be the same and the power to spin it will be close to the same. Only slightly higher due to the larger rotors having more area. Am I way off base?

Sorry to steel your thread anengineguy but I though it might benefit both of us knowing this.

Oh yeah. Doesn't the Milodon pan have baffles that reduce windage so a tray really isn't needed? I've heard that but am not sure if it's true.

Thanks, Tracy
 
Enlarge main feeds to 9/32

Moper you're talking about the holes from the right lifter oil gallery to the main bearings correct? What size would those holes be on a '71 340 block and where do I get a drill bit long enough to drill them?
 
Moper - It seems you never got around to answering a couple pf questions on this thread - (or maybe you did by PM? ) -

Anyhow - Id like to know the answers if you can find some time... Just thought the answers would be educational.:read2:
 
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got this from another site....



B-RB ENGINE OIL MODIFICATIONS
The following suggested improvements for your BB oil system can be made at little or no cost to you. It is very important that you follow these instructions exactly.
Remove all five main caps. With an 8” to 10” long 9/23” drill bit, drill the oil passages from the top of the main saddle to the lifter galley on the PASSENGER side of the block to 9/32. Do not drill passages to the cam. Do not restrict oil to the rockers.
If you run a solid or roller cam, you should cut oil off to the lifters on the DRIVERS side of the block. On the rear of the block, remove the pipe plug on the driver’s side next to the camshaft. You will need a 19/32” freeze plug. Install the 19/32 freeze plug into the oil galley on the driver’s side of the block. Driver the plug into the block about 1 ¼” or until you can see the passage coming across the back of the block that fees the oil to the driver’s side galley. Clean and install pipe plug. Oil is now cut off to the lifters on the driver’s side of the block. The only way to cut oil of to the passenger side is by installing sleeves in each lifter.
Once all your modifications are complete, clean the block thoroughly, making a special effort on the oil passages. Using a Milodon #34010 brush kit makes this easier.
On a race motor, the only system that we recommend is the Milodon dual line system. It has been the standard of the industry for year. It is very expensive, but not nearly the cost of your race motor.

A ENGINE OIL MODIFICATION
In an A engine with a solid or roller lifter cam, we highly recommend installing the Chrysler P4120603 lifter oil block off tube kit. Regardless of whether you use a hydraulic, solid, or roller cam, we recommend the following modifications.
Purchase an 8” to 10” long 9/32 drill bit. Remove the main cape. Ion the mains number 1-2-3-4 there is an oil passage which goes from the top on the main saddles to the lifter galley on the passenger side on the block. Slowly drill these 4 passages to 9/32”. Cast iron is very hard to drill without the bit trying to hangup, so do not try to rush this job. If you happen to break the bit, you will have real problems.
Take your oil pump and rill the neck of the pump (the section between the rotor and the main cap) ½” Take a sand paper roll (the kinds used in porting heads) and go in the pump above the rotors and debur and slick the area above the rotors. You will need to slick the hole in the pump neck that you have drilled also. Drill to ½” the rear main cap where the oil goes through and polish with sandpaper roll.
You will need a 10” long ½” drill bit for the next step. With the rear main cap removed, look in the hole where the oil goes into the block. There is a 9/16” freeze plug which diverts the oil through the oil filter. Remove this plug by inserting a ¼” rod through he hold where the oil pressure gauge goes in the top side of the block. Drill the hole ½” up to the lifter galley where the plug was removed. Remove the oil filter and any adapter plates from the block. Remove the pipe plug from the block that is under the filter. Drill to ½” both holes that go from the filter to the passage that leads the lifter galley. Now remove the pipe plug in the rear of the block behind the oil filter and drill this passage to the center of the oil filter bolt ½”.
DO NOT DRILL PASSAGES FROM THE MAINS TO THE CAMSHAFT. DO NOT RESTRICT THE OIL TO THE ROCKER ARMS.
Once all passages are drilled, completely clean the block very well. We use Milodon #34010 brush kit to clean all the oil passages. Once the block is clean, replace the 9/16” plug that diverts the oil to the filter and the plug under the oil filter. If you make the above modification, you have greatly increased the volume of oil that fees the crankshaft and the bearings of your A engine.
We highly recommend the Milodon 10 quart oil pan with the swivel pickup. This system comes with a pump cover and a 1 ¼” rotor. Using the long rotor greatly increases the oil volume. The swivel pickup makes sure there is always oil at the pickup. Also use fully grooved (wide groove) main bearings. We do not recommend stock type oil pans that have been cut and deepened as these pans can run out of oil under acceleration or deceleration. They are not baffled properly. While the cost of a good oil system is expensive, it is not nearly the price of a new engine.
 
I have learned that a good oil system is the first thing and clearance being second is priority for any race type engine build them lose they live for ever. makim tite they were out .
 
abodyjoe; referencing the material you posted. I also saw this same information in a Mopar mag, can't remember which one. But, it has me wondering about my motor that is already complete and dyno tested. I started with a 1992 roller LA360, stroked to 408, and used a custom grind cam with the stock "dog bone" and stock roller lifters. Engine performed well on dyno with no apparant problems. Makes me wonder if the later roller LA motors had some type of modification from the factory. I did not perform the mod listed in the article, guess I'll find out what effect, if any, not performing mod this has on my motor once the Demon is up and running.

got this from another site....

A ENGINE OIL MODIFICATION
In an A engine with a solid or roller lifter cam, we highly recommend installing the Chrysler P4120603 lifter oil block off tube kit. Regardless of whether you use a hydraulic, solid, or roller cam, we recommend...
 
On the mods... I don't do the 1/2" mods. My engines dont rev where that might be needed, and the stock pump might have an issue with that much more volume in the system. I'm just guessing there but in any event, I dont modify those pasages. Just the main feeds that go to the lifter galley. I think I got my bit from Goodsen years ago. The other big restriction is the intake side of the system. And to help that takes a new pump cover and special pickup. You can use the Moroso pickup too, but again, I typically leave this side alone. By making the main feeds bigger, I'm not really taxing much else in the system. By enlarging the pressure feeds and mains, I'm making it easier to pump out, but not easier to suck in. And the real restriction on small blocks is the sucking in side. If you have straight jouransl and good clearances, the factory system is more than adequate until you get into serious sustained rpms (past 6K) and rough environments (offroad racing, Bonneville, circle track) Aside from non-priority main oiling, its a very good ssytem.
 
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