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Hi guys, I was looking for an 833 transmission for my Duster, and found this one for sale. In the pics I noticed what looks like cracking in front bearing housing....does it look like a deal breaker? Any info greatly appreciated

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The side cover shows iot to be a 71 or newer transmission, But then the bearing retainer diameter size tells me it is a overdrive trans. It is not a 247 or 266 4 spd. Just some info you may want to know. Many times OD transmissions are painted cast iron to hide the aluminum case or side cover to deceive buyers. It also looks to be a 26 spline output shaft. Beware of what you are buying. Dan from brewers would probably be more positive on this info with case , or bearing retainer numbers.
 
The side cover shows iot to be a 71 or newer transmission, But then the bearing retainer diameter size tells me it is a overdrive trans. It is not a 247 or 266 4 spd. Just some info you may want to know. Many times OD transmissions are painted cast iron to hide the aluminum case or side cover to deceive buyers. It also looks to be a 26 spline output shaft. Beware of what you are buying. Dan from brewers would probably be more positive on this info with case , or bearing retainer numbers.
Thanks, that's what I was worried about.....a hodgepodge of parts....I am new to Mopar's and don't know what to look for....I appreciate all your help....
 
Smaller diameter
I have 833 guts in an aluminum OD case. I had my bellhousing machined to fit the larger output bearing cover. Someday I'll dig it out to sell. You never know what could be in a case.
 

They look the same. The distance from the outside of the trans case tells me its a large diameter. Experience is something you'll get as you become more familiar with these transmissions. Why the casting numbers and brewers web site would be your best reference
 
There are three different diameter front bearing retainers. The 4.3, 4.8 and 5.125. I believe it's dependent on the front bearing size.
 
I'm pretty sure that I see a plug on the front of the cluster-pin bore too.
The od ratios are 3.09-1.67-1.00-.73od, making this the widest ratio trans in the Mopar arsenal.
To make best use of it you will need a low-rpm engine.
If your Duster has a 340, personally, I would pass on it, because no matter what you do, Second-gear will not be in a good place when First is, and vice-versa..
If she has a relatively mild 360, and NOT a big cam, well, it might be ok for a while, depending on your driving style..
If she has a 318 with factory stock long-block, that's a good fit, I'd snap it up.

As regards that "defect", at the very tip of the tube, I would likely just stop-drill it and ignore the rest. But if not, the retainers are still available, so for me, if I wanted that trans, it would not be a deal breaker. Just make sure that the OD gear is still in there, lol.

As noted, the large retainer will NOT fit in a regular bellhousing, unless you machine something; and if you get the right BH, then you will need the right set of matching parts like; Fork, fork-pivot, and the correct ball-stud for the Z-bar.
Happy HotRodding.

EDIT
If you install a GearVendor behind it, and eliminate the GV module; you get SEVEN very close ratios.
The ratios are; (GV in brackets)
3.09(2.41)-1.67(1.30)-1.00(.78)-.54 ;
the splits are
.78-.69-.78-.77-.78-.69. That's tight!!.

I ran that with 4.30s and it was killer fun............
Jussaying.......
 
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Thanks for all the information guys, It is all new to me having been a Chevy guy all my life....
The seller measured for me and it is indeed 5.125 inches....but he says case is not aluminum and is steel/cast iron....I wish it was close by where I could see in person first .....the bearing supports aren't interchangeable, correct?
I guess I gotta try and decipher the casting numbers.....
For context, I am putting a mild 318 in my 74 Duster that has the 198/ 3 on the tree and wanted to go ahead and convert to 4 on the floor ....
 
Thanks for all the information guys, It is all new to me having been a Chevy guy all my life....
The seller measured for me and it is indeed 5.125 inches....but he says case is not aluminum and is steel/cast iron....I wish it was close by where I could see in person first .....the bearing supports aren't interchangeable, correct?
I guess I gotta try and decipher the casting numbers.....
For context, I am putting a mild 318 in my 74 Duster that has the 198/ 3 on the tree and wanted to go ahead and convert to 4 on the floor ....
That's because it's an A body transmission. A lot the A body OD transmissions were all cast iron. I wouldn't put it behind a 318. But then from the pictures, I would leave it right where it is.
 
For context, I am putting a mild 318 in my 74 Duster that has the 198/ 3 on the tree and wanted to go ahead and convert to 4 on the floor ....
If the 318 has a "mild" cam, but is still an 8/1 compression engine, then, I wouldn't recommend this box except to use until you get something else.
The reason being;
Firstly because, I expect the cylinder pressure to be quite low, which will make the engine's low-rpm torque quite low.
and Secondly; While first gear with say at least 3.23s will be reasonably ok, it will fall on it's face when you hit Second gear.
This combo will want at least 3.91s for Second gear to be fun. But then, First with 3.91s, is almost too deep. So it gets to be a ratio/rpm dance.
Consider this;
Say you end up with 3.23s in the back. So you take off normally, contemplating a shift at 2800 like I do, which will be about 22mph.
But then, on the shift, the Revs drop to ~1500. Now, your low-pressure 318 is asked to come out of that, and it's gunna take a lot of throttle, and still be a dog cuz it won't hit 2800 in Second, until over 40 mph, and at 2800@40, that low-compression 318, is still not pulling.
It won't hit 60 until about 4400.
So yur asking that "mild "318 to pull from 22mph to 62, a pretty tall order.
In other words, yur almost never gunna outshift first at 2800.
Try 3600@28mph , dropping to 1950 on the shift into Third. The mild, low-compression 318, is still gunna struggle when it hits Second.
I gotta tell ya, 3.23s suck with a low-compression 318, and that trans.
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On the off chance that you have an older 9/1 engine, now with a mild cam, and your pressure is up to 150psi, OK, now it's better but still no hotrod with 3.23s.
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I can ALMOST guarantee, that you are gunna, eventually, figure out that Second gear is where that box will do it's best work, and you will end up with 3.91s.
In Second, with 3.91s, 30mph will be 2450, and 60 will be 4900. So yur still stretching the Second gear out pretty far, and coming in pretty late, say from 4500 in First; that trans is a tight fit.
For performance, with a 318, don't even think about getting into Third until 60 mph at the earliest, cuz as soon as you shift, the Rs drop to ~60%, so from say 5000 in Second to 3000 in Third, and there you are again, struggling to build rpm, way off the "mild" cam's sweet spot.
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like I said, it's a low-rpm box. As long as you use it as it was intended, it works fine. But once you start winding your engine up, the very wide ratios rapidly pull your engine out of it's rpm band.
 
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Damn.... These Mopar's sure are confusing/ complicated.....
This is just the tip of the iceberg. These ain't Chevys. I like Chevys. Had a lot of them through the years. It's SO much easier being a Chevy guy, because you can almost get parts from WalMart. They got it made. That's why when I see a really nice Mopar, I have much respect. Someone went to a LOT of trouble finding parts that people with other makes just pick off trees.
 
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