opinions, NASCAR fans

[waggin]

I only watch if they are running at bristol,I guess the short tracks are the attention getter for me,they need some figure eight tracks!!!That's racin!!!

 

[Burntorange70]

1.) Too many good old boys are your fan base. Letting in Toyota alienated a good deal of your fans. Stock car's racing roots are running the back roads in 'shine cars, then getting together and seeing who had the fastest car. Letting in a Japanese auto manufacturer just pissed off a lot of people.

2.) Good move with the CoT, which, by the way, is here today, so which genius decided to keep calling it the Car of Tomorrow? Really, the only difference in any of these cars is the decal and the engine. What happened to the idea that racing was about building a car to go fast and if you lost then you went back to the shop and built a faster car? The whole idea of every car must be equal was the basis for IROC and I it just went belly up.

3.) Restictor plate racing. This argument is lame: "fans like close racing." Really? Then why is the circuit full of cookie cutter 1.5m tracks where the cars get spaced so far apart? Some of us like the old style of Talladega and Daytona racing: a pack of ten or so would break away, run like hell and the sling shot actually worked!

4.) No one to fill Dale Sr.'s shoes. Dale Jr. isn't capable of it. Kyle Busch is too hated. Kasey Kahne is too inconsistant. Look at the names that have carried the banner for ages: Petty (if Adam had lived...) Peason, Yarborough, Allison (if Davey had lived...), Waltrip. Gordon and Johnson are too bland. There are no rivalry's anymore, either.

Personally, I haven't given a crap about NASCAR since they started treating the fans like cattle to suck us from our money (five paint jobs a year for teams means more collectibles to buy!)
But for NASCAR to blame it all on a friggin' cartoon character instead of asking the fans is a joke. And it seems NASCAR is content with that. After all, if they asked the fans, they might hear the truth.

I started watching when Dodge came back but mid way through 2 year ago I stoped all together. I could not take it anymore. It is not about the racing any more. The COT is a POS and don't even get me started on toyota. The drivers get paid way to much to do some thing I would do for free and ***** and cry like little girls when they don't get there way. I am done with crapcar. They ant getting me back.

 

[C130 Chief]

I still enjoy it, but I'm not near as hardcore a fan as I used to be. It's a complete misnomer to call these cars "stock cars". The CoT is a formula plain and simple and resembles nothing sold in the showrooms. I'd like to see manufacturer innovation brought back. Being able to "buy on Monday" what "won on Sunday" would help the industry and the sport.

So, if I were King any "Stock" cars would have to be purchased from the factory as a "body in white", use a production engine block/displacement currently available in that chassis, retain stock wheelbase, track width and body profile. Modifications for safety equipment, conversion to RWD would be allowed, as would fuel injection. No minimum weight, however the car may not weigh less than the published curb weight of a production vehicle.

Fuel added during a yellow flag pit stop would incur a 15 sec hold penalty at that stop once all maintenance was complete, beginning after crew is over the wall.

Any manufacturer could compete, however the model being raced must be assembled in a US plant using at least 85% North American sourced components in regular production.

Factory support of teams would be allowed and encouraged, however ANY part used on a factory supported car must be available to independent teams and the general public at least 30 days prior to the race.

If the Ford was faster or more fuel efficient than the Chevy/Dodge/Toyota/Whatever one year that would motivate the other manufacturers to get off their asses and build better cars the next year. These would be cars we could buy.

 

[FISHBREATH]

Memike, NASCAR needs to see your post!

 

[73dart360]

sorry posted wrong place not sure how to get it off here
Nascar is boring

 

[yellowdartdave]

Watching the restrictor plate races is like watching a fleet of trucks (all identical) running down the road. B-O-R-I-N-G !!
I am like a bunch of you guys..Stock sheetmetal,etc.
It is so neat to look at the cars from bach in the early 70s. All factory sheetmetal.

 

[Demon416]

Haven't been here for awhile, because my 'puter' keeps crashing. Here's my two cents worth. I haven't been interested in NASCAR since the late '70's. The rule changes have turned the sport into a joke. Not the safety changes, they are all good. I'd like to see some good old "stock car racing." Not some "the cars are all the same racing." Would be fun to see a few one mile dirt track races in NASCAR. Money drives the sport and that takes the fun out of it for me. NHRA isn't much better these days. A 1000 foot track? Give me a break! If it's not a quarter mile, it's not a drag race. JMO

 

[skybolt]

"and what about those friggin' "competition yellows" or "cautions for debris"

Robby Gordon got a fine for throwing out a piece of his roll bar padding I think 2 years ago to cause a caution. Cheating and whining p.o.s.!!!!

 

[green1]

If the factory makes 500 of them; run what you brung.

 

[waggin]

I just watched the bristol race I taped and i'll have to say awesome Mark Martin Is still a major competitor,he didn't win but second was a heckofa run,ok back to another channel till the next bristol or richmond race comes on

 

[SCredneck]

yeah whens the last time an impala came with a V8.

1996

Or when has toyota ever used a V8 in a car?

Does Lexus count? If not then the answer is never.

at least dodge has a V8 unlike the fusion.

And is also the only one on the track that is also rear wheel drive on the street.

 

[momoparman]

I like watching it cause I take good long naps and feel refreshed when I wake up with 10 laps to go.....only to watch some chevy or toyota (VERRRP) that was vomit in my mouth and a swallow by the way..win!


Wheeeeee.....only better than IRL. If Danaks raced without a top on then you would have something......something to watch anyway!

Don't ruin my only chance at a good sleep! I don't wanna be like Mike...J that is.

To soon?

 

[ramenth]

I'm seeing some good suggestions, especially about the homolgomation rules. I like the idea that at least 500 have to be built to qualify..(5.4 3V RWD Fusion anyone?) But I like the idea that engines running should be street, too, within the same size. Let's put the 6.1L up against the 6.0L and make Furd and Toyota build something bigger to match. If Ford and Toyota wants to stick with modular engines, fine, let's see if they'll hold up to 500 miles worth of flat out racing. Let's do away with carburation and go injection. It's been a while since NASCAR has contributed to street driven technology, let's see 'em do it.
As for IRL, they lost me with an all Honda set-up. And this comes after everyone b****ed that the Stealth R/T Twin Turbo was going to pace the Indy back in the '92. "You can't have a Japanese built car pace the great American race," they whined. That's okay, the Viper did it. But now all those whiners have shut up now that every race car is Japanese powered for "great American race." What a load of BS.

 

[CanadianGT]

Problem is if nascar instituted a policy that the manufacturer needed 500 on the street to race them is that most manufacturers would pull out. Besides toyota has thrown to much cash at nascar for everyones blueprints for nascar to ever change. Why do you think a manufacturer with no experience in this kind of thing(circle track racing is a different beast then road course or f-1) can win championships within the first 5 years of running? It's because toyota went to nascar and said they'd like to run with the big 3 waving cash and nascar handed them all the engine blueprints.

 

[74plyduster]

Haven't watched a complete race, yet, even Bristol put me to sleep last weekend. I too seem to doze off during a race, especially during a oval race. Got really excited when Mopar came back and Bill Elliot was the first driver picked to drive a Dodge. Never liked The Intimidator but remember the races when it was him and Awesome Bill from Dawsonville. Last year was probably the end of it for me got tired of the CoT, been watching F1 but now they seem to want to go down the NASCAR and IRL route with a one engine supplier and tightly restricting body design. Some big names are threatening to leave the F1 Championship next year and create a new series.
I would like to see SCCA Trans Am racing come back with the Challenger, Mustang and Camaro racing on road courses.

 

[homecloned]

Haven't watched a complete race, yet, even Bristol put me to sleep last weekend. I too seem to doze off during a race, especially during a oval race. Got really excited when Mopar came back and Bill Elliot was the first driver picked to drive a Dodge. Never liked The Intimidator but remember the races when it was him and Awesome Bill from Dawsonville.

"Million Dollar Bill" was the man.
First to win the Winston Million
Fastest qualifying lap in history. 212 mph
I was real happy when he came back and raced for Dodge with his #9 which led to Kasey. Unfortionitally I think Kasey is headed to GM next year(Stewart/Haus)

Here are some pics from a 1983 Circle Track mag. when it was just Melling.

 

[weezer]

"opinions, NASCAR fans"
So here's mine...I used to watch NASCAR back when it only came on TV as part of the WIDE WORLD of SPORTS. My dad took me to Darlington and Rockingham in the 60's. He and Johnny Bell had a dirt track car they raced on Saturday nites at the local bullring. I've been a fan a loooooong time. Said that to say this: Not no more. NASCAR has become a victim of it's own success. Bigger does not always equal better. It has gotten too far away from what made it the fan favorite show that it once was. Why? Money, children. When certain groups ( manufacturers, sponsors, TV people, track owners, etc.) began to pour megabucks into NASCAR they demnded certain things in return. NASCAR was smart enough to not bite the hand that was making it rich. Unfortunately, this new NASCAR-for-hire puts on such a watered-down show with unidentifiable cars and sanitized drivers on cookie-cutter race tracks that I, too, now am unable to stay awake thru an entire event. Even Bristol. I hate it but it won't ever be what it was. At least they made the safety thing a priority. Just sucks that Dale had to die for that. Oh well, that's my dos pesos. Cheers.

 

[rp23g7]

I have started to lose interest too. Started watching when i was a little kid. I think the first race i watched was the 79 Daytona 500 with the fight at the end.

Quit watching weekly after Dodge left in 87, but would tune in every other race to check out King Richard. Quit watching completely after he retired in 92.
Started watching when Dodge came back, but its getting old again. Its stupid sounding when they talk about the cars.

One of the announcers at Bristol said something about Chevy i think, at the end of the race. Something like, "i would make chevy owners proud" What ever, how much alike is your chevy to the race car? Does it have the same bolts holding it together? Give me a break.

The least they can do if they want to race Ford Fusions and Toyotas is create a race preped V6 so they may resemble a stock car just a little bit

 

[DartSportDude]

NASCAR has become a joke. It's been going down hill ever since Richard Petty retired -- maybe even before that. I'm so sick of watching 25 year old, pretty boy drivers who got rides because of their looks and "marketability" -- not their skills. These days, the Home Shopping Network is more entertaining!