Originality-does it matter?

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One of the problems that we are all going to have to come to grips with is that we are getting older. 60's muscle cars are what we grew up with and what we know and love. The younger generations not so much.
Exactly. I got into 1950's jukeboxes as a kid, and I've restored a few to "better than new", but the market for them is all but gone now. None of the youngsters in my family have shown any interest in them either, and there's not a damn thing I can do about it but get over it and move on. I have one more RockOla 1448 left sitting on backburner (typical pic below), but after that, I'm out.

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Just curious as to what you guys think about originality when it comes to restoration projects...I've seen some absolute stupid numbers pop up at auction, some in excess of 40k. Sure, I get that. A collector wants a car that is perfectly restored right down to squiggly numbers scrawled on parts with a paint pen, and will pay beau coup bux to get it!...but for the average Joe, how much do things like matching numbers and paint codes and original equipment really affect value? For example, the original motor and trans are long gone from my car, probably blown up by the original owner. Is having paint that doesn't match the fender tag that big of a downer? Stuff like that.
Now I realize that when you buy a car it's yours to do with whatever you wish and to hell with everyone else, but curious to hear other people's take on this? Thanks!
If it's a HP car.. I like to see all the original equipment with the exception for a few things of course, like intake manifold perhaps if it's just an iron four barrel that's pretty common. If it's just a car that's been upgraded, bigger motor ,stronger Parts.. stuff like that.. as long as it's Mopar stuff or good aftermarket, I'm good.
My 67 Signet was a slant car, but I dropped a 340k frame, disc brakes, a four-speed and a 340 into it and backed it with an 8 and 3/4. It's all Mopar stuff down to the intake manifold being Edelbrock with a Chrysler part number. Only Exception is headers instead of the exhaust manifolds, though I have those 340 exhaust manifolds too.
I basically like era correct and factory mopar equipment is what I should say
 
Exactly. I got into 1950's jukeboxes as a kid, and I've restored a few to "better than new", but the market for them is all but gone now. None of the youngsters in my family have shown any interest in them either, and there's not a damn thing I can do about it but get over it and move on. I have one more RockOla 1448 left sitting on backburner (typical pic below), but after that, I'm out.

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That is a work of art! When my grandfather passed away our mom let us pick some personal items we could keep before things were sold. I took my grandfather's old horn phonograph, a tube Zenith radio we listened to in his shop, my grandmother's old iron with a walnut handle, an authentic butter churn my grandma actually used and my most prized possession an old cast iron Das hound boot scraper he used to scrape the pig crap off his boots with before going into the basement for a shower. I still use the zenith tube radio. Now I could get a Bose wave radio if needed but the raw sound of the tube radio I liked better even though it was before my time. It's generational damn it! If you roll thru Illinois drop that jukebox off at my house please.
 
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That is a work of art! When my grandfather passed away our mom let us pick some personal items we could keep before things were sold. I took my grandfather's old horn phonograph, a tube Zenith radio we listened to in his shop, my grandmother's old iron with a walnut handle, an authentic butter churn my grandma actual used and my most prized possession an old cast iron Das hound boot scraper he used to scrape the pig crap off his boots with before going into the basement for a shower. I still use the zenith tube radio. Now I could get a Bose wave radio if needed but the raw sound of the tube radio I better even though it was before my time. It's generational damn it! If you roll thru Illinois drop that jukebox off at my house please.
Oh, that one's not mine! My 1448 is still in pieces/in boxes (actually I have enough to build three of them, but I digress), and once I retire The Plan is to do another "stupid money" restoration on it so it matches my 1452 (start-up video here):

 
My experience. Bought a 70 charge RT numbers matching drive train original interior and the most origininal engine compartment I've seen in a long while, including exhaust shield into the original dual horn air cleaner, etc. My first car show last week, took it to the local VFW. They usually have between 150 and 300 cars. This year it rained and 24 cars showed up. You would have thought among 24 cars I would get noticed but first secon and third place went to other vehicles, mostly 40's trucks. Learned my lesson, gonna build it for me. Took off the finicky original avs carb and put on a Demon 750. Now I have throttle response, vacuum and much better mileage. Ps, the Dart went too, a big block with original exhaust and also was ignored.


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It has been my finding that a nice Mopar at an All Cars car show normally does not do well. I have won a few awards at them. People are more interested in Chevies and Fords.
We are the dinosaurs! It might have been a good ole boys club too. This was my first and only show, so a statistical pool of 1.
Good old boys! I have 2 stories:
In 1987, I had just finished a 3 year frame off restoration of a 65 Vette vert with Factory AC. It was BEAUTIFUL! I took it to an all cars show sponsored by the Arkansas Street Rods club. There were 3 Vettes there. Mine, a 66 fastback that was rough around the edges and a 67 vert that was also rough around the edges. Mine was by FAR the nicest. When they announced the awards for the Corvette category, I got third place. The other two guys belonged to the club. I didn't even go up and get the award. It wasn't a complete waste, though. A reporter from the Arkansas Gazette was there and was impressed that an Air Force guy with no formal training did such nice work. He featured me and my car in a full one page spread in the Sunday paper.
There was a Labor Day car show here in Topeka that went on for a few years. It was sponsored by the Classic Chevy Club of Topeka. It was a fund raiser for Jerry's Kids (Muscular Dystrophy). It was a good show except for one thing. Every year, every single award went to a club member. I know we don't go to car shows just to get an award, but fair is fair. After a few years, the show closed due to nobody coming anymore. I wasn't there, but I heard that people Booed loudly at the awards ceremony at the last show when all awards went to club members.
 
Original is for losers saving their car for the next person to enjoy.

Original bb car that we 'ruined' with a giant hole through the hood and other nonsense.
Future holds additional nonsense.

Downside is we drive the heck out of it and have gobs of memories.
Power Tour!

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Oh, that one's not mine! My 1448 is still in pieces/in boxes (actually I have enough to build three of them, but I digress), and once I retire The Plan is to do another "stupid money" restoration on it so it matches my 1452 (start-up video here):


This is one you did Jim?
 
For most of us, we have waaaay more into our build than we can get out of them! So it's natural to for us to think what we own is worth more than it really is. We build for the satisfaction of building and solving the many issues we run in to during a build.
I agree with the general consensus, truly rare vehicles should be preserved as close to stock as possible. But for the vast majority of us, we build what we want, they way we want to drive it (as best we can afford that). I am lucky to have a son who will keep, drive and cherish my A body. He wouldn't swap it for any modern sports car.
 
Original is for losers saving their car for the next person to enjoy.

Original bb car that we 'ruined' with a giant hole through the hood and other nonsense.
Future holds additional nonsense.

Downside is we drive the heck out of it and have gobs of memories.
Power Tour!

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Nice 67...brings back memories. The back wheels and tires are perfect.
 
This is one you did Jim?
Yes, sir, I did.

Here's what it looked like when I bought it:

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Pic from my Blog (remember those?):


Probably a good thing I don't have any "finished" pictures here at the office, otherwise I'd risk highjacking this thread! :)
 
I am a real stickler on body and interior remaining stock. Not a fan much outside the lines here.

Paint, so long as it's done correctly and no remnants of another color showing I am cool with it.

No black engine bays, body color only, and done clean.

Drivetrain I am wide open for change and appreciate tastefully done.

Tom
 
I think we already did!
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Thanks, Jeff. I have about 5,000 pics of the 1452 in my computer at home, and only a select few got uploaded to the Blog and/or Youtube. Feel free to shoot me a PM anytime.

But enough of this nonsense, and Back to Our Regularly Scheduled Programming!
 
Not to hijack.... but here's my Seeburg 222. Supposedly one of the first "stereo" jukeboxes produced. I learned a ton restoring it and with four 6BQ5 output tubes it will rock the house!!

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I don't really care too much about originality for the most part. If it's a real nice car to me & it's built right, that's most important. The one downside of having a high value, numbers matching vehicle is, I'd be kind of afraid to drive it or leave it unattended anywhere, except a car show. People seem to have some respect for cars there, as compared to taking it out for diner or something.
Well I have to disagree. You see the 69 Barracuda in the background. Member of Mopar Madness?. I caught him laying in my trunk looking for the vin on the package tray when my friend and I were walking back from the food court. Scratched the rear stripe when he got out and ran. Where ever you go there is always an Asshole.

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Well I have to disagree. You see the 69 Barracuda in the background. Member of Mopar Madness?. I caught him laying in my trunk looking for the vin on the package tray when my friend and I were walking back from the food court. Scratched the rear stripe when he got out and ran. Where ever you go there is always an Asshole.

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That's just wrong. Like popping the hood of a car that's not yours, uninvited.
 
Not to hijack.... but here's my Seeburg 222. Supposedly one of the first "stereo" jukeboxes produced. I learned a ton restoring it and with four 6BQ5 output tubes it will rock the house!!

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Love the stereo Seeburgs! I had a Seeburg HF100R for a while that I "prettied-up" a bit and flipped, and I have to admit that the Seeburgs sounded a helluva lot better than Rockolas.

But I grew up with Rockolas, so....

Sweet looking juke!
 
Two sides to a coin, and it's whatever you prefer. Originality, I feel, is important on rare sought after cars.
Conv's, and Big block A's , E's and B's. Grand spaulding A's or package cars. Otherwise anything you do to other cars is an improvement of your taste. You can never ruin anything that you own. I see some real stupid things done to cars but if the owner likes it thats cool. and some really unique things Like this 4X4 Satellite

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I am a real stickler on body and interior remaining stock. Not a fan much outside the lines here.

Paint, so long as it's done correctly and no remnants of another color showing I am cool with it.

No black engine bays, body color only, and done clean.

Drivetrain I am wide open for change and appreciate tastefully done.

Tom
No Recaro buckets with a standard fold down rear seat in a fastback Barracuda? could not agree with you more.
Well I have to disagree. You see the 69 Barracuda in the background. Member of Mopar Madness?. I caught him laying in my trunk looking for the vin on the package tray when my friend and I were walking back from the food court. Scratched the rear stripe when he got out and ran. Where ever you go there is always an Asshole.

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That car is after my time, but that is a damn nice Duster. The stance and tires to fenders and tires rear quarters couldn't be better.
 
I used to be more in the all original category. The dart has the original look most components oiginal, replaced top, had a tonneau cover, engine (rebuilt 30 over), 8-3/4 SG added, front disc's added and a few other updates. So not original now anyways.

Going forward when I retire and have the time todo the work, rack and pinion, floor and front frame mods to stuff in a gen3 6.4, tremec 6 speed, independent rear with disc's all around and more are where my thoughts currently are. May or may not happen.

My 0.02, I don't really care of its original or what its worth to someone else. And I won't sell it unless one of my kids want it. If it's what I want done with it, that's what's gonma happen.
 
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