problems with 1966 Barracuda 273 carburetor

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Hi folks,
I have a 1966 Barracuda 273 2bbl, and the linkage rod for the auto choke is not the correct length,...so the choke doesn't open all the way once the engine is warmed up. I don't know if this is the original carb, but I don't think so. I discovered this problem during a full engine rebuild. I also need the clips for the kick down linkage rods. Photos attached. Thanks

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In the first pic, I don't see a problem with the link-rod.
I only see that the choke is partially closed because the bi-metal coil is cold or adjusted wrong.
Going to jump in on LP1966's post since I have a similar issue with my divorced choke after a 273 rebuild. Using the correct 4 barrel carb. How do you adjust that coil @AJ/FormS ?
 
Not all are adjustable.
>With the engine off and cold, you slap the throttle with what you think will get the engine to start. This also sets the fast idle cam.
>As soon as the engine starts the Vacuum choke pull-off cracks the choke open, so it won't flood. Then you slap the throttle again, which drops the idle-speed.
As the engine warms up, the bi-metal spring unwinds and opens the choke. About three minutes later, depending on the ambient temp, the chokevwill be wide open, then you can slap the throttle one more time, to disengage the fast-idle cam.
The choke mechanism sets in a pocket on the intake. Underneath that pocket is a hot-air chamber, that crosses over from the exhaust ports of one side if the engine, to the other. In one exhaust manifold is flapper valve, that forces some to most of the exhaust gasses to travel thru that X-over, to do two things; 1) to heat up the carb to prevent icing, and 2) to cause that bi-metal spring to unwind. After the engine has been running for a bit, that flapper also unwinds, no longer forcing hot gasses thru the X-over.
>As often happens with time, that X-over plugs up with cooked-oil. and the gasses can no longer pass under the carb. This also prevents that Bi-metal choke-spring from unwinding, and then the choke does not come off. and when the ambient temp is hovering just below zero with high humidity, icing can occur, which is extremely frustrating.
Therefore
before trying to adjust that straight link-rod choke, you gotta make sure; 1) that the bi-metal spring is still working and 2) that the carb heating system is still open, and that the flapper-valve is still functioning. Also, 3) if the air-filter housing has a heated air intake, that too has to be inspected.
If you have a later-model car that was born with a constant-temperature air-cleaner, and if you run it with that system defeated, you will have A/F ratio troubles, as the ambient temperatures get colder.
Some to most of these cars also had various ignition timing controls added to deal with that heated-air system. Bandaids galore.
If this type of car is running headers, there is no flapper valve, to help the carb. If you install a 4bbl on it, without heated air, in Missouri, in the winter, you are just asking for trouble. maybe more like begging, lol.

All that said
The Bi-spring can usually be rotated on it's pivot, to add or subtract tension, which will change the time it takes to unwind. and
the choke pull-off opening can be adjusted by bending the loop in the linkrod. and
the fast-idle can be adjusted with the fast-idle screw. and
the vacuum to the pull-off can be delayed by a restrictor in the line.
Correct operation also depends on factors like Idle-timing, Throttle-opening, valve lash, vacuum leaks, and general tune.
 
In the first pic, I don't see a problem with the link-rod.
I only see that the choke is partially closed because the bi-metal coil is cold or adjusted wrong.
Hi AJ,
Thanks for your reply. How do I adjust the bimetal coil? When I install it and warm the engine, the choke does not open fully. The choke flap moves freely, so there is not an obstruction to hold it at halfway.
Also, I'll check out your solution for the kick down linkage.
Thanks again!
 
Not all are adjustable.
>With the engine off and cold, you slap the throttle with what you think will get the engine to start. This also sets the fast idle cam.
>As soon as the engine starts the Vacuum choke pull-off cracks the choke open, so it won't flood. Then you slap the throttle again, which drops the idle-speed.
As the engine warms up, the bi-metal spring unwinds and opens the choke. About three minutes later, depending on the ambient temp, the chokevwill be wide open, then you can slap the throttle one more time, to disengage the fast-idle cam.
The choke mechanism sets in a pocket on the intake. Underneath that pocket is a hot-air chamber, that crosses over from the exhaust ports of one side if the engine, to the other. In one exhaust manifold is flapper valve, that forces some to most of the exhaust gasses to travel thru that X-over, to do two things; 1) to heat up the carb to prevent icing, and 2) to cause that bi-metal spring to unwind. After the engine has been running for a bit, that flapper also unwinds, no longer forcing hot gasses thru the X-over.
>As often happens with time, that X-over plugs up with cooked-oil. and the gasses can no longer pass under the carb. This also prevents that Bi-metal choke-spring from unwinding, and then the choke does not come off. and when the ambient temp is hovering just below zero with high humidity, icing can occur, which is extremely frustrating.
Therefore
before trying to adjust that straight link-rod choke, you gotta make sure; 1) that the bi-metal spring is still working and 2) that the carb heating system is still open, and that the flapper-valve is still functioning. Also, 3) if the air-filter housing has a heated air intake, that too has to be inspected.
If you have a later-model car that was born with a constant-temperature air-cleaner, and if you run it with that system defeated, you will have A/F ratio troubles, as the ambient temperatures get colder.
Some to most of these cars also had various ignition timing controls added to deal with that heated-air system. Bandaids galore.
If this type of car is running headers, there is no flapper valve, to help the carb. If you install a 4bbl on it, without heated air, in Missouri, in the winter, you are just asking for trouble. maybe more like begging, lol.

All that said
The Bi-spring can usually be rotated on it's pivot, to add or subtract tension, which will change the time it takes to unwind. and
the choke pull-off opening can be adjusted by bending the loop in the linkrod. and
the fast-idle can be adjusted with the fast-idle screw. and
the vacuum to the pull-off can be delayed by a restrictor in the line.
Correct operation also depends on factors like Idle-timing, Throttle-opening, valve lash, vacuum leaks, and general tune.
Thanks AJ. I appreciate all of this.
 
First, not sure what carb that is. Definitely not OEM 66 Carter BBD. You can bend the rod till the choke opens all the way at operating temperature. Second, the choke should be fully closed when cold. Next, the pull off should "break" the choke open when it starts to a specified gap. Only when these conditions are satisfied, should you adjust the bimetal spring by removing the choke, loosening the adjustment screw and turning the assembly one or two lines, and tightening the adjustment screw. You would much better off finding an original Carter BBD carb, 1966-1974.
 
Hi folks. I found a set of numbers on the body of the carb. Does the "R" stand for Rochester? Does anyone recognize this? Thanks.

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Hi folks,
I have a 1966 Barracuda 273 2bbl, and the linkage rod for the auto choke is not the correct length,...so the choke doesn't open all the way once the engine is warmed up. I don't know if this is the original carb, but I don't think so. I discovered this problem during a full engine rebuild. I also need the clips for the kick down linkage rods. Photos attached. Thanks

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Interesting, I have the opposite happening on my 64 Polara. The rod isn't long enough and it won't close the choke all the way. I am going to jack the housing up with a thick gasket and hopefully that will get me there. The later model chokes have a longer rod with a bend in it that can be straightened or bent more to adjust it. You can adjust the coil. You may want to check that out.

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First, not sure what carb that is. Definitely not OEM 66 Carter BBD. You can bend the rod till the choke opens all the way at operating temperature. Second, the choke should be fully closed when cold. Next, the pull off should "break" the choke open when it starts to a specified gap. Only when these conditions are satisfied, should you adjust the bimetal spring by removing the choke, loosening the adjustment screw and turning the assembly one or two lines, and tightening the adjustment screw. You would much better off finding an original Carter BBD carb, 1966-1974.
First, not sure what carb that is. Definitely not OEM 66 Carter BBD. You can bend the rod till the choke opens all the way at operating temperature. Second, the choke should be fully closed when cold. Next, the pull off should "break" the choke open when it starts to a specified gap. Only when these conditions are satisfied, should you adjust the bimetal spring by removing the choke, loosening the adjustment screw and turning the assembly one or two lines, and tightening the adjustment screw. You would much better off finding an original Carter BBD carb, 1966-1974.
Hey 66fs,
The car has a number on the side (see photo) "R-7890". Is that a Rochester? Do you know the PN for the correct Carter 2bbl carb? Thanks!
First, not sure what carb that is. Definitely not OEM 66 Carter BBD. You can bend the rod till the choke opens all the way at operating temperature. Second, the choke should be fully closed when cold. Next, the pull off should "break" the choke open when it starts to a specified gap. Only when these conditions are satisfied, should you adjust the bimetal spring by removing the choke, loosening the adjustment screw and turning the assembly one or two lines, and tightening the adjustment screw. You would much better off finding an original Carter BBD carb, 1966-197

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I'm not sure where the numbers are on a BBD Carter. Any Carter BBD for a 273 or 318 will work well from 1964-1975 ish. You might want to post a "wanted" thread for a 65-75 Carter BBD 273 or 318. I have never seen that carb on a Mopar, but I lost interest in "newer" stuff about 1975. Sounds funny today.
 
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