This Ain't Mopar....

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I’ve got a 1977 F600 dump that I just use on the property anymore because of the iffy brakes and steering, but I’ve had it 20 years and it just keeps on going. It’s a 330. I gave it plugs, valve job and carb rebuild when I got it and it’s hardly needed anything but gas since. So what do I have; a 330ci big block? I think it’s an FE variant they called an FT.
 
I’ve got a 1977 F600 dump that I just use on the property anymore because of the iffy brakes and steering, but I’ve had it 20 years and it just keeps on going. It’s a 330. I gave it plugs, valve job and carb rebuild when I got it and it’s hardly needed anything but gas since. So what do I have; a 330ci big block? I think it’s an FE variant they called an FT.
Yeah, but the last year for the FE and FT was supposedly 1976. It's not surprising though, as Dodge also normally went at least one year more with truck engines. But yeah, the FT is under the FE umbrella. Lots of differences though, if it still has the medium duty heads, intake and exhaust manifolds. 330 was the smallest of the big blocks.
 
I drove her to church and back today and then to town for our Mopar club meet. Probably about 30 miles total. No noises, no running rough or skipping and oil pressure stayed good. Hopefully we're on to somethin. Here's the pictures from the club meet.
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Here`s another for you rusty, on my 68 F-350, it has a 390 but the chiltons skips engine codes for 68 but lists previous and later year codes. Any mention of 68 engines is 391. What`s up with that?
How sure are you that it's not a 391? Depending on its GVWR, it could be considered a medium duty truck and that would have been a 391. They are difficult to distinguish from the outside.
 
Here`s another for you rusty, on my 68 F-350, it has a 390 but the chiltons skips engine codes for 68 but lists previous and later year codes. Any mention of 68 engines is 391. What`s up with that?
Also remember, Chiltons ain't the best manuals there are. They omit lots of things and erroneously add incorrect things. Have you tried to decode the VIN?
 
Also remember, Chiltons ain't the best manuals there are. They omit lots of things and erroneously add incorrect things. Have you tried to decode the VIN?
No, cause my book starts with 69 vin decoder. This truck may be a put together through its life, come find out the dually rear is International.
Machinist did say it was a 390 but 1 cubic inch between 8 cylinders could be measured as just wear? I wonder how you can tell the difference between a 390 and 391? I`ve always bought parts for a 390 for it.
 
No, cause my book starts with 69 vin decoder. This truck may be a put together through its life, come find out the dually rear is International.
Machinist did say it was a 390 but 1 cubic inch between 8 cylinders could be measured as just wear? I wonder how you can tell the difference between a 390 and 391? I`ve always bought parts for a 390 for it.
Not on a Ford. The 390 and 391 are really two different engines. One (the 390) is the passenger car and light truck engine. The 391 is the medium duty truck engine. Same main family (FE) but a sub family of the FE (the FT). They have heavier casted blocks and heads, beefier crank and rods, the whole bit. Plus, the top end (intake, heads and exhaust manifolds)are all different, much the same as the Mopar big block industrial and motorhome stuff. The engine have the same bore and stroke even. Ford gave the 391 its designation to separate it from its passenger car counterparts. First, the 391 head and then the 390 head.

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Thanks bud, owned 35 years and learned something new. lol
I need to get out there and start the ol boy up, it`s been over a year.
Hope your truck gives you decades of care free service:)
Man, thanks! I do too. But it's old so I expect to work on it every now and again. I just hope I get a break for a while. lol
 
On the medium duty FT engines I have seen, the crank snout is a larger diameter (I don’t remember the exact dimensions) than the passenger car counterpart. They got a 1 as the last identifier in the cubing inch terminology as FT engines. Although though the bore and stroke was the same as the passenger car counterparts, there was enough difference in some parts that the different designation made parts sorting easier during service life and probably down the assembly line, too.
 
On the medium duty FT engines I have seen, the crank snout is a larger diameter (I don’t remember the exact dimensions) than the passenger car counterpart. They got a 1 as the last identifier in the cubing inch terminology as FT engines. Although though the bore and stroke was the same as the passenger car counterparts, there was enough difference in some parts that the different designation made parts sorting easier during service life and probably down the assembly line, too.
Agreed. I seem to recall reading that bore and stroke of the FE 360 and FT 361 were the same, but Ford added a digit to the “actual “ CID displacement to differentiate them from each other.

They also did this for one of 351’s, if memory serves, just to “one up” GM. Or maybe it’s the “5.0”, which actually rounds off to 4.9, which could be confused with the 300-6……

Too early in the morning for me.
 
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Definitely. Here's my two. My Duster's in my avatar. (Heading towards paint soon, I hope.

Oh yeah, thread relevance; glad you got it up and running, Rusty. I hope you cleaned EVERYTHING. It's a pita, but worth it. I agree with your assessment of bad cores/machining. I don't think many grinders care about flat tappets anymore.
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At least you have the Fords Normal people go after.

I can't get enough festiva action. Ford's Aisian step child
 
I drove her to church and back today and then to town for our Mopar club meet. Probably about 30 miles total. No noises, no running rough or skipping and oil pressure stayed good. Hopefully we're on to somethin. Here's the pictures from the club meet.
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And I was SO close to being able to meet Rusty and this group yesterday but the time change from Tennessee to Georgia shot that in the foot......
 

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