no!OK. Men can we have Resonable Arguments only please.
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What Does "Reasonable Offer" mean?
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me want justice!
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Remember when the Saturn line of cars were introduced?
The cars were different. Plastic body panels over a "space frame" or something like that. The cars were one thing but with them came a marketing plan that featured no haggle pricing.
It failed. Was it because of the cars or was it just against the American way?
I thought that the no haggle bargaining routine was dropped before the company dissolved. Do I remember that right?
The cars were different. Plastic body panels over a "space frame" or something like that. The cars were one thing but with them came a marketing plan that featured no haggle pricing.
It failed. Was it because of the cars or was it just against the American way?
I thought that the no haggle bargaining routine was dropped before the company dissolved. Do I remember that right?
Can we start a new thread to discuss the definition of what constitutes a “Reasonable Argument” next ?
a reasonable argument is up to and including me smashing you in the face with a hammer depending on what we're arguing about.
this definition is iron clad, unless of course you care to argue about it.
*reaches for hammer*
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I'll know who the Ford guys are by their lack of response to this picture.
I'll know who the Ford guys are by their lack of response to this picture.
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Fishing68
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Zuck... is that you?
huh?
Ha. !!??
Selling any old car on FB MartketPlace????? First we realize there are so many idiots on there! How many guys that send out 15 messages a day on various cars offered there just fishing?? How many shoppers with not a $ to their name on a given day? Or.. Like the lady that spends all day window shopping at the mall!? Just "looking"' ( Do they still have malls!?) You the seller, you are looking for that ONE guy that is searching for what you have to sell at a given price. Maybe your ask price, maybea little less. Maybe a whole lot less. But he has $ and will come look and be sincere (maybe). It takes patience and a tough skin usually, but IF your car is fairly priced with haggle room or not, you will soon find out if there are any buyers on not for that given car at that price!
I see old cars I would love to have, that are priced way too high. I get their cell number and call. If they only want to text, I tell them I will call not text. Talk NOT text. Then, I ask them IF they have every restored any old car? Ever? I ask how they arrived at their price?
I tell them. I have been in this hobby, decades so I have what I feel is fair for any given car. That is all I will ever pay. My opinion may or not be correct, but it is what I go by and IF I offer advice, I say please understand advice I offer is just that and not a ploy to beat a guy down.
If the seller is a car guy, I want to see his "herd" and brag on them some. Develop some sort of "relationship" if possible. Makes it all easier for both of us. You do not have to be a pro salesman to try to be able to decide what type of person you are dealing with.
I like the old line that goes like this: "I really like your car and I want to buy it, BUT...... SOooo, you are asking $10,000 for this $1500 car. Just what will it take for me to haul it home, since it does not run, has no engine, no seats, and I will have to spend blah, blah, blah for it to run!???"
He might tell you not to let the gate hit you in the *** on the way out.... or maybe he laughs and says lets TALK!
Selling any old car on FB MartketPlace????? First we realize there are so many idiots on there! How many guys that send out 15 messages a day on various cars offered there just fishing?? How many shoppers with not a $ to their name on a given day? Or.. Like the lady that spends all day window shopping at the mall!? Just "looking"' ( Do they still have malls!?) You the seller, you are looking for that ONE guy that is searching for what you have to sell at a given price. Maybe your ask price, maybea little less. Maybe a whole lot less. But he has $ and will come look and be sincere (maybe). It takes patience and a tough skin usually, but IF your car is fairly priced with haggle room or not, you will soon find out if there are any buyers on not for that given car at that price!
I see old cars I would love to have, that are priced way too high. I get their cell number and call. If they only want to text, I tell them I will call not text. Talk NOT text. Then, I ask them IF they have every restored any old car? Ever? I ask how they arrived at their price?
I tell them. I have been in this hobby, decades so I have what I feel is fair for any given car. That is all I will ever pay. My opinion may or not be correct, but it is what I go by and IF I offer advice, I say please understand advice I offer is just that and not a ploy to beat a guy down.
If the seller is a car guy, I want to see his "herd" and brag on them some. Develop some sort of "relationship" if possible. Makes it all easier for both of us. You do not have to be a pro salesman to try to be able to decide what type of person you are dealing with.
I like the old line that goes like this: "I really like your car and I want to buy it, BUT...... SOooo, you are asking $10,000 for this $1500 car. Just what will it take for me to haul it home, since it does not run, has no engine, no seats, and I will have to spend blah, blah, blah for it to run!???"
He might tell you not to let the gate hit you in the *** on the way out.... or maybe he laughs and says lets TALK!
340six
King Of Bling
I disagree
All I know is that I might not always be right...but I am never wrong!!!!
Come on, man...YOU know more than just that.
Well IF I do, I am not lettin on!!!
I agree with your right to disagree
Jim Lusk
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Can we start a new thread to discuss the definition of what constitutes a “Reasonable Argument” next ?
And here are some guidelines...
340six
King Of Bling
I am not going to argue with you because I am smarter than I look.
Pour one out for the Broke Dicks, Nickel Dicks and Slap Dicks. thoughts and prayers to all.
Yep, I did just that. In one of my posts, I mentioned that I drove my 66 up there and told him that it’s been for sale for 2 years for $7500 and no takers. Before I made him an offer I talked to him about the car, asked questions, and told him information about the car that he knew nothing about. Like that the car was originally turquoise and showed him the turquoise paint underneath the flaking black paint job, and the red piece of vinyl just glued right over the original turquoise door panel. And of course told him the reason my offer was low, and offered a negotiation for him to plead his case. As mentioned, I don’t need the car and didn’t want the car, but my out of state young gun friend doesn’t have a lot of money. No big deal in the end, he can keep it in his barn until he dies and his kids can scrap it, that seemed to make him happy.
Advertising a classic car for sale???
There is a difference between a for sale ad on FB MarketPlace and taking a car to lets say, Mecum auction. OK extreme example, but that auction is actually advertising a nice car fir sale. The guy that buys at Mecum is 99% of the time is way different than the guy buying off MarketPlace!
The definition of fair market value, for anything, car, real estate, widgets, etc., is advertise the whatever correctly, for a reasonable amount of time, at a price that is within a reasonable price range. In other words, do not advertise it at what anyone would consider twice its value, or even 10 cents of the dollar to the other extreme. One runs off potential buyers, the other makes for a sale that is well below fair market value.
There is a difference between a for sale ad on FB MarketPlace and taking a car to lets say, Mecum auction. OK extreme example, but that auction is actually advertising a nice car fir sale. The guy that buys at Mecum is 99% of the time is way different than the guy buying off MarketPlace!
The definition of fair market value, for anything, car, real estate, widgets, etc., is advertise the whatever correctly, for a reasonable amount of time, at a price that is within a reasonable price range. In other words, do not advertise it at what anyone would consider twice its value, or even 10 cents of the dollar to the other extreme. One runs off potential buyers, the other makes for a sale that is well below fair market value.
Dartswinger70
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That car is prob 5 grand if it isn't a total rot bucket... 1500 is 1990s money. I paid 1000 in 1993 for my 340 H code swinger towed it home with a bunch of parts in a trailer. He had it at 7500 so you could talk him down to 5 etc. he knows at 1500 you could flip it for 5 that's why he got pissed off. everyone is an American picker these days...but seriously lets be real at 5K if everything is there every piece of stainless trim and the interior is all there that's a big plus when restoring these cars hunting down parts kills a restoration budget.
I find if i am selling something i get offered 1/2, like the set of wheels i was asking 1,300.00 for and got offered 700.00. now if i am buying and seems like i am offering a "reasonable" offer like the tool box that was 100.00 and i offered 75.00, and he said no i have other people interested, ( but i am here and have the $$,,)
H code Darts and 64 3 speed on the tree early A body Darts that have been sitting since at least 1999 when he bought it are 2 different animals all together. As mentioned above, I just sold my original commando equipped convertible Valiant Signet for $6800, running and driving, and the guy drove it home. That is the 2025 price for a running and driving, insured and plated with a desireable driveline, 8 3/4” rear end and all. Is this 64 Dart worth $5k compared to the Valiant? Not in the real world.
While it’s true that it would be hard to find all the Dart trim, this Dart still needs at least $3k worth of parts and labor to even get it running, let alone driving to cruise in and such. Then there’s the issue of the interior, which I wish I took pictures of. It would be an embarrassment to drop the top and show that off. When I say red vinyl over the original door panels, I mean a piece cut from a roll, the door sprayed with contact cement and the vinyl stuck right on over the upper door frame and all. And that was done long enough to have the vinyl 1/2 peeling off and showing the amount of contact cement used to try to hold on the vinyl. Not to mention the rear seat, the red painted rear interior trim panels, the “reupholstered” front seat with the same vinyl used on the doors. And that’s not even getting into what the underside of what the floors look like, or the trunk pan, or the frame stubs.
My offer was an informed one, based on a real price that a comparable running car just sold at, I think I’m pretty close. And yes, I would’ve paid more, but not much because I don’t need it, and I couldn’t flip it for anywhere near what his asking price was.
That's what they all say when they think they have something special.
and really if it's a car with parts in the back seat and trunk it ain't that special.
If you are gonna' sell stuff, this is the way it works. No reason to get PO'd at anything. Anything I list, I answer one intelligent question online. After that question, they get my phone number for any future correspondence. That usually weeds out the non-serious folks.
Low balls....Who cares. I just say no thank-You.
Low balls....Who cares. I just say no thank-You.
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