What would you do if you had an extra house laying around?

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I have an extra house I'm not using and was wondering what the average bear might do with it. Here are the circumstances: It's about 1400 square feet, on a quiet dead end cul de sac, waterfront on a river with docks and also the occasional seaplane that touches down on the river. The outside of the house is finished, the inside is gutted and only new interior partition framing installed. So to be operable, it would need all new plumbing, electrical, and interior walls and finishes. I'm looking to buy a house in another state soon.

The choices are: A) sell the house as-is for $xx and apply the $ to the new house (easiest and quickest option), B) or put $50k into it to finish it and sell it for more $xxxxxx and apply the $ to the new house (more difficult and more time, would have to save up the $50k first), C) or finish renovating it and rent it out, and just get a bigger loan for the new house which will be paid by the rental income of the renovated house over a longer mortgage term.

Any opinions ?

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I'd clean up the outside of the house, get all those vines off of it, clean up the lot to enhance the view to the river....and sell it like it is. It's hard for younger people to afford housing nowadays, so many are willing and able to put some sweat equity into a place like that in order to be able to have something. I have friends that own rental houses and there's no way on God's green earth that I'd go thru some of the nightmares they do! :realcrazy:
 
Do you need the money now to buy the new house? Crunch some numbers to see in the time frame you're looking at whether you'd be better off selling it and investing the proceeds vs renting it and collecting monthly income from that. How much is the property worth and how much could you rent it for?

Me? I'd probably clean it up a bit and sell it then invest those funds.
 
I know this sounds crazy. But if it's free and clear? And you don't need the money? I would donate it to worthy cause. Or to a family that works hard, but will unlikely have the means to afford home ownership.

For some reason as I age. Philanthropy as well as mentoring has becomes more appealing. Even though I'm not in the greatest position to deliver a whole lot. But like most of us in this hobby in the classic car world. I'm not poor either.

My kids would KILL ME if they knew I had such thoughts. Lol.
 
Here are some questions that potential buyers would be interested in having an answer for.

What state is it in? How close to the nearest city? Is high speed internet available there at the street? Is cell phone service at the house acceptable or spotty and drops calls?

Septic System with Drain Field or City Sewer? City Water or Well?

What are yearly property taxes? Type of heat in house, electric/temporary heater, LP or natural gas furnace with or without AC or None?

Gutted older home ready for remodeling?

I know internet access and cell phone service are 2 major concerns for today's busy potential buyers. Even so for potential retired buyers?

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Maybe hold for a while, there is talk that Capital Gains taxes are going to be done away with in the near future, that could make a big difference on how much money you actually end up with in your pocket upon selling?

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So many variables. Need the cash, age, need a potential headache in renting, how much renovating can you do, etc. Me, I'd sell it, as I'm at the age where I don't need another worry. I would invest the cash in something safe and forget it until....:eek:
 
Have you talked with a tax lawyer?
Have you considered forming a dynastic trust, then donating it to the trust?
Can you take a paper loss in so doing?

Land is wealth.
 
Here are some questions that potential buyers would be interested in having an answer for.

What state is it in? How close to the nearest city? Is high speed internet available there at the street? Is cell phone service at the house acceptable or spotty and drops calls?

Septic System with Drain Field or City Sewer? City Water or Well?

What are yearly property taxes? Type of heat in house, electric/temporary heater, LP or natural gas furnace with or without AC or None?

Gutted older home ready for remodeling?

I know internet access and cell phone service are 2 major concerns for today's busy potential buyers. Even so for potential retired buyers?

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Maybe hold for a while, there is talk that Capital Gains taxes are going to be done away with in the near future, that could make a big difference on how much money you actually end up with in your pocket upon selling?

Thank You


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Would there be capital gains on it currently? You can own 2 primary residences.
Was it a rental?
 
Would there be capital gains on it currently? You can own 2 primary residences.
Was it a rental?

Believe it's 250,000 deduction on your primary home, then 15% capital gains tax over that without any more input costs figured in.

As far as I know...

They do away with capital gains, that would do a lot for the economy.


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Which river?
My choice would be option C, as that is the kind of place I'd like to live in retirement.
 
You can advertise that as a possible sale with a 203K FHA rehab loan, where the money borrowed is in an escrow account and doesn't have to be paid on until it sells and has the occupancy permit. It is used to pay contractors to rehabilitate the home. My house was in a similar condition (gutted) when I purchased it for cheap, and did a a lot of work myself, saving even more money. The way it works is you get written estimates for all work to be done, and the contractor(s) know they can be paid when work is completed, or every 30 days, or purchase materials to start, etc. Drawback is having to have a consultant (inspector) that is required to sign off on any draw from the account. My house took 6 months to complete, but I ended up with an appraisal over 200k from what I paid.
 
There are a lot of variables in play here, and you will get a lot of different answers. My personal take…..

I’m in the trades, and I can do plumbing, electrical, HVAC and all of the other things that house needs to be finished. If it were mine I would do all that and sell it as a move in ready home. But like I said above, that is my variable. You will get more money on a finished house, you will take a huge hit on a gutted home. So I guess I would sell it as is if you can’t do the work.
 

We have two "extra" houses, and we rent them out.

That has been a good move for us as they pay all of our bills (yes, every single one as well as paying for themselves).

One is paid off and the other has a $600 payment and brings in $1850 a month.

My calculations say they will end up giving us about triple the value if we were to sell now. However if we keep them and then we if we have major medical expenses later in life and/or can't manage them and do most of our own repairs anymore, sell them and get another chunk of cash.
 
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We have an extra house. We bought it for our oldest to live in. It was cheaper than renting an apartment in a big college town he was living in. :BangHead: :BangHead: He is now engaged and they have bought a nice home of their own. Now my daughter is moving in to the "rental". At least we know all about our renter even if they don't pay us any rent. :BangHead::BangHead::lol::lol:
 
Thanks everyone for all the responses. To answer all the questions people had: 1) I own it outright, paid cash for it about eight years ago. I paid cash for all my houses and cars, have never had a loan. But now that I'm married I wanted to get a first house loan so the house can be more substantial for the wife to enjoy. I'm a veteran, so am approved for a VA loan that I've never used yet. I believe they are still no money down loans. We're moving to a more expensive area too that can't be payed for with cash unless you have deep pockets. 2) Do I need to sell it? No. But I wanted to pull the trigger on doing something with it since it's been sitting in limbo with uncertain plans for a few years. But like someone said, real estate is better than money in the bank because it always goes up. 3) How much is it worth? I don't know. The value of it's current condition would be negated IF it gets finished. So the value is an unknown at this time. 4) There is a home upstairs, and downstairs facing the water is a smaller one bedroom apartment. So if it was to be rented, there would be 2 seperate units. There is also a 1 car garage below too. I actually bought the house to store cars, so I had the downstairs apartment converted to a 4 car garage. But once I consolidate all the cars in one place at the new house, then the downstairs can be converted back into an apartment. 5) Donate to family? No. I'm the poorest in my family. There are 7 doctors in my immediate family, and one attorney. They don't need a house. But to your point, the wife and I normally donate. I donate to cat shelters and the wife ships boxes of stuff to her church out of the country for poor families to use. The wife is, without a doubt, going straight to heaven for all of her help to less fortunate people. 6) The house is in New York, about 5 minutes outside of Kingston, an old "big" city that was originated in the late 1600's. 7) Internet and cell service is great here. 8) The house has it's own water well and septic. So no getting ripped off with monthly bills to the town, even if you've never used the water and sewer. 9) The yearly taxes are very low, due to the current condition of the house. But they will naturally go up if the house is renovated. 10) Heat and AC? No A/C. No heat yet, and undecided of proposed heat source. Electric heat is not an option, since New York Electric and Gas (NYSEG) got bought by Blackrock and all the payments go to Spain (our electric bills have tripled since the buyout). The house does have a nice big fireplace though. 11) I had the house gutted and it's ready for remodel. I'm 55 and can do some of the work but have to hire electricians/plumbers. 12) I agree with renting being a headache, but there are also good renters out there too, so it's possible to have a favorable experience renting out. 13) I haven't talked to a lawyer, but did think of putting it in a trust. If that's the case then the plan would be to keep the house long-term. 14) The house was a rental before I owned it. A nice lady rented it to her dirtbag nephew, and after a few months he decided to stop paying rent. When she had the cops kick him out, he took all the copper plumbing with him. 15) The river is a smaller feeder river that feeds into the Hudson River about 1 mile away. The Hudson River then leads right down to the Statue of Liberty and New York City. The property would have a greater value if you could boat from the house to NYC, but there is a small waterfall in between. 16) It would be a good retirement home, it's in a quiet area. But the town would clamp down on any junk A bodies laying around the property. 17) I did consider getting a rehab loan, but don't really like to deal with banks. I'm almost in between jobs right now, so am hoping for a bigger coming job so I could pay cash for the renovation. 18) Since buying the house eight years ago, the value has 5x'd. The next door neighbor had offered that much more to buy it last summer. But I want to make a good decision an not a decision I might regret later in life, so that's why I'm asking all you financial wizards for your expert opinion.
 
this may not have any bearing on your decision making process. when my then to be wife and I were engaged, we had a meeting with the Pastor about where to live. she had a condo, I had my parent's house. his answer was to sell both and buy your own place to make new memories.
 
this may not have any bearing on your decision making process. when my then to be wife and I were engaged, we had a meeting with the Pastor about where to live. she had a condo, I had my parent's house. his answer was to sell both and buy your own place to make new memories.
Very true, great idea!
 
Thanks everyone for all the responses. To answer all the questions people had: 1) I own it outright, paid cash for it about eight years ago. I paid cash for all my houses and cars, have never had a loan. But now that I'm married I wanted to get a first house loan so the house can be more substantial for the wife to enjoy. I'm a veteran, so am approved for a VA loan that I've never used yet. I believe they are still no money down loans. We're moving to a more expensive area too that can't be payed for with cash unless you have deep pockets. 2) Do I need to sell it? No. But I wanted to pull the trigger on doing something with it since it's been sitting in limbo with uncertain plans for a few years. But like someone said, real estate is better than money in the bank because it always goes up. 3) How much is it worth? I don't know. The value of it's current condition would be negated IF it gets finished. So the value is an unknown at this time. 4) There is a home upstairs, and downstairs facing the water is a smaller one bedroom apartment. So if it was to be rented, there would be 2 seperate units. There is also a 1 car garage below too. I actually bought the house to store cars, so I had the downstairs apartment converted to a 4 car garage. But once I consolidate all the cars in one place at the new house, then the downstairs can be converted back into an apartment. 5) Donate to family? No. I'm the poorest in my family. There are 7 doctors in my immediate family, and one attorney. They don't need a house. But to your point, the wife and I normally donate. I donate to cat shelters and the wife ships boxes of stuff to her church out of the country for poor families to use. The wife is, without a doubt, going straight to heaven for all of her help to less fortunate people. 6) The house is in New York, about 5 minutes outside of Kingston, an old "big" city that was originated in the late 1600's. 7) Internet and cell service is great here. 8) The house has it's own water well and septic. So no getting ripped off with monthly bills to the town, even if you've never used the water and sewer. 9) The yearly taxes are very low, due to the current condition of the house. But they will naturally go up if the house is renovated. 10) Heat and AC? No A/C. No heat yet, and undecided of proposed heat source. Electric heat is not an option, since New York Electric and Gas (NYSEG) got bought by Blackrock and all the payments go to Spain (our electric bills have tripled since the buyout). The house does have a nice big fireplace though. 11) I had the house gutted and it's ready for remodel. I'm 55 and can do some of the work but have to hire electricians/plumbers. 12) I agree with renting being a headache, but there are also good renters out there too, so it's possible to have a favorable experience renting out. 13) I haven't talked to a lawyer, but did think of putting it in a trust. If that's the case then the plan would be to keep the house long-term. 14) The house was a rental before I owned it. A nice lady rented it to her dirtbag nephew, and after a few months he decided to stop paying rent. When she had the cops kick him out, he took all the copper plumbing with him. 15) The river is a smaller feeder river that feeds into the Hudson River about 1 mile away. The Hudson River then leads right down to the Statue of Liberty and New York City. The property would have a greater value if you could boat from the house to NYC, but there is a small waterfall in between. 16) It would be a good retirement home, it's in a quiet area. But the town would clamp down on any junk A bodies laying around the property. 17) I did consider getting a rehab loan, but don't really like to deal with banks. I'm almost in between jobs right now, so am hoping for a bigger coming job so I could pay cash for the renovation. 18) Since buying the house eight years ago, the value has 5x'd. The next door neighbor had offered that much more to buy it last summer. But I want to make a good decision an not a decision I might regret later in life, so that's why I'm asking all you financial wizards for your expert opinion.

Thanks for the very through reply. Lots of old time A-body guys are coming up to this same fork in the road (second home, what to do with it?)

Cash buyer neighbor sounds like a simple clean way out, and you will know who is ending up with it.

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Personally, I like holding on to the properties I have. The properties are owned by the Trust, and I own the Trust.
 
Personally, I like holding on to the properties I have. The properties are owned by the Trust, and I own the Trust.
Rentals? Over the years I bought four houses with cash, but after a while, they were just sitting there doing nothing. So I sold three of them. I think that although real estate is a great investment, if an extra house is not being used as a rental, then it will deteriorate.
 
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